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"Computers don't call people, David..."


This question could have been easily answered by checking the phone records.

I don't even know enough to know how much I don't know. Ya know?

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They could have known which end placed the call. Of course the records won't show it as an AI. BUT it would show which number called which. Problem solved. Ret-con all you want, it's a plot hole.

I don't even know enough to know how much I don't know. Ya know?

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It's not a plot hole. It just points to more incompetence on the part of the NORAD folks.

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Good point. But I am not the only person who sees it as a plot hole. It's listed as one in the Goofs section.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but they'll break yours,too. 

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This goof is along the same line of thought as David balling up the printout of all the phone numbers and just chucking it into a wastebasket instead of burning it. You know the NSA/FBI would have searched the Lightmans' garbage and found it. It was a point that apparently was deemed irrelevant by John Badham and the screenwriters.

It doesn't really get in the way for me, re-watching the film. Just like the payphone and tape recorder gags, it's all entertainment.

-Rod

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Yours did.

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Even an auto-dialer, telemarketing device which was happening back then was still "a computer calling people".

He shouldn't have been so shocked.



That would make 3 Christmas' I've saved, vs. 8 that I've ruined; two were kind of a draw..

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A computer calls me three times a bloody week in spam calls.

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What phone records are you suggesting existed? The data of what calls were made probably wouldnt have been kept by a computer at NORAD...so lets talk about phone calls through Ma Bell which would have been the phone company at the time...Those records would have been kept on giant tape recorders and tapes....It would have taken a long while to get to that data....So sure in the end i guess it would have been possible to get the official answer...but in the time frame we're talking and the overall ignorance the military had of its WOPR....Its a fair thing to believe that David did all of the calling.

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I think a bigger goof about that is that David says: "Joshua called me", and McKittrick immediately understood David meant 'computer'.

What?

Shouldn't he have asked, "Who is Joshua?" instead of assuming "Joshua" means 'computer'? Also, if he knew 'Joshua' is WOPR, then wouldn't he rather ask how does David know WOPR's real name, etc..

That whole thing doesn't make sense. For David to even call it 'Joshua' and expect McKittrick to understand what he's talking about is already strange and illogical. David didn't know the computer's name was Joshua until he realized that must be the password Falken would've used, because Falken's son was called Joshua.

It's a big leap to assume the FBI interrogator knows this computer system so intimately, that a secret, Falken-installed backdoor-password about Falken's son is obviously the computer's real name, somehow.

Since when is a PASSWORD the name and identity of a computer (or a whole computer system, like WOPR) anyway?

The more I think about it, the more idiotic and thoughtless this scene seems.

Besides, no one and nothing really calls 'people'. It's all 'phones calling other phones', or 'modems calling other modems', or rarely, 'modems calling phones'. Or to be more exact, 'modems calling phone lines' or even more specifically, 'phone numbers'.. maybe switches and extensions?

Hm, now that I think about it, I don't know the official term for -what- a phone calls, when it calls a phone number. Line? Number? Extension? In any case, why would they think 'computers don't call people'? Computers do whatever they're programmed to do, and THEY KNEW they had an experimental, sophisticated ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE in there.

They knew they had a powerful A.I. that's trusted to handle defence response - why the heck would it be so difficult to believe this trusted, powerful A.I. could also make a simple phone call, since computers can do that anyway when they're connected to modems?

Someone really didn't think while writing

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I don't know if the original thread is her e- but I recall one comms engineer suggesting it could have been the WOPR issuing a WRU/ENQ query - and David having his phone number in the response field in his terminal emulator.

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Also, you got the quote wrong.

It's.. "David, machines don't call people."

Otherwise, all my points still stand.

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McKittrick was very ignorant about computers. He had no idea on wardialing?? He was the one who insisted that WORP manage the country's nuclear defense. Crazy!

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