Was anyone else disturbed by Shepherd's impressions?
He did impressions of Mexican-Americans, even in front of Mexican-Americans. What was that about? Did I miss something there? I can't even understand why that was in the film.
shareHe did impressions of Mexican-Americans, even in front of Mexican-Americans. What was that about? Did I miss something there? I can't even understand why that was in the film.
share'My name Jose Jimenez' was a popular T.V. line in the early 1950's, made famous by Hungarian-Jewish American comic Bill Dana. One of 'Jose Jimenez' many jobs was 'Jose the Astronaut'. Hispanics did criticise the portrayal, primarily because Dana was not hispanic, but later, in the 1990's he received an image award from the National Hispanic Media Coalition.
I'm assuming Shepard used it because he heard it on T.V., just like the irritating people of later generations used 'Dyn-o-mite', 'Beam me up Scotty', 'Book'em Dano', 'Don't have a cow, man', and (my personal favorite) 'Your nicked, sunshine.'
"Your nicked, sunshine"
Never heard that one before. It's obviously British - where's it from?
I asked the doctor to take your picture so I can look at you from inside as well.
It's English...well loosely as it is usually said in a London accent after all (joke)... it is usually said to be from the great police drama called 'The Sweeney' which was the biggest show in the late 1970s that starred John Thaw (who later famously played the title role in 'Inspector Morse) and Dennis Waterman (the title role in 'Minder').
John Thaws character Jack Regan allegedly utters the line, but to my knowledge the closest he actually gets to saying it was "Get yer trousers on, you're nicked." or "You're nicked son!"
"Nothings gonna change my world!"
People have to remember that "sensitivities" were different in the early sixties than they are now. One of the scenes in this movie that absolutely appalls me is Vice President Johnson bringing out Sally Rand to "fan dance"-- in front of the Astronauts' wives!!!!! And watching the movie, I am always amazed that the wives-- except perhaps for John Glenn's "Annie"-- seemed to be enjoying the dancing too!
But I remember those times and I remember a lot of women just accepting blatant anti-female behavior from men-- I think because they felt they had to; many of us didn't and that's how the feminist movement got started.
I do remember being uncomfortable with Bill Dana's "Jose Jiminez" but everybody else was laughing, some of it was funny, and I just ignored the initial concerns when everybody else I knew was laughing. Every one of my white friends, at least. I had Spanish friends too but I never thought to ask them what they thought of "Jose Jiminez." Many years later, I heard an old routine of "Jose" Dana's and was quite shocked by it.
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Burlesque was a big, legitimate thing back then. I remember my parents going to burlesque shows in New Jersey in the 1960s. Heck, they still have topless chorus girls in Las Vegas shows, right?
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i thought he had the right stuff?
We're not soldiers and he's not the enemy. He's a pizza man.
Absolutely correct. Remember these "PC sensitivities" that so many people take for granted are a product of a much later era. People who laughed at these jokes 50 years ago weren't evil or prejudiced.
shareBill Dana first started doing Jose Jimenez as one of the characters on the Steve Allen show, in a regular segment called "Man on the Street". The interviewees were regulars on the segment, but didn't appear on other parts of his show.
His career came into its own because of those appearances, in the early sixties, not fifties.
I think one of the objections to the astronaut portrayal was that he was so cowardly. But I know Hispanics who loved his act, and would say "My name..." themselves.
Incidentally, in those Steve Allen interviews, which always began with Steve asking the subject for his name, Dana would always say "My name Jose Jimenez" a little differently every time. It was one of those things you just waited for every Sunday night.
I came close to meeting him on two occasions. One was when he was a guest at a restaurant I was working at on Maui, and another time almost 20 years later, when he was touring the country with an actual astronaut -- Carpenter(?), talking on college campuses. He impressed me as a quiet kind of guy who'd rather let the other guy talk. He didn't seem like an extroverted clown at all.
I think it's in the film because it was historically accurate. Shepard and the rest of the Mercury 7 really did like Bill Dana's Jose Jimenez character even though today we would consider it politically incorrect. A recording of the Jose Jimenez routine was patched into the communication loop before Shepard's Mercury flight and according to Gene Kranz's book Failure Is Not An Option, the Mission Control team found this very funny and it helped them relax during the tense hours of launch delays. There's also a scene in the third episode of From The Earth To The Moon where Wally Schirra (Mark Harmon) does a Jose Jimenez impression. Politically incorrect but historically accurate.
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OK, that makes sense. I don't think I really got how popular that character would have been at the time, and it probably made a lot more sense to the adults who were watching this movie at the time of its release because they would remember that time and those attitudes. As someone who wasn't born until the 1970s, it was really off-putting. But it makes sense now that you put it in its historical context. Thanks!
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Sure hope you're as put off by Chris Rock or George Lopez's impersonations as you are by waaaaay dated TV schtick in a movie in which a Mexican-American orderly actually gave Alan Sheppard (Scott Glenn)his comeuppance---which apparently you missed you nit.
I hate this PC *beep* where you take more offense at a slight you project than is even remotely warranted...
How many times have you said "you can't handle the truth" or "i'll be back" (with the accent), or whatever...? Huh? I'm mean seriously, people....
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Hey *beep* Chris Rock does topical comedy that focuses on Black/White relations in America. If you think that's more offensive than Jose Jimenez (sp) than you are a racist moron who hasn't changed and will probably respond to me with the old 'Some of my best friends are black' routine. Try listening to the comedy of both before you open your mouth or put fingers to keyboard next time.
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Chris Rock is a rascist and an utter moron.
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Not only that, but Bill Dana became friends with the 7 and became their mascot.
shareDo people even pay attention to the movies they claim to have watched? Shepherd was doing an impression of a comedian who--whether you like it or not--really did that character.
shareIn that era there wasn't much of a sense of what we would now call political sensitivity about such things, that being said the movie does address what you are talking about. Remember, the Hispanic orderly in the clinic casts a somewhat disapproving eye on Shepherd when he first hears him do the impression, then later gently admonishes and mildly intimidates him over it (while Shepherd is doubled over in pain, carrying the hot water bottle attached to an inflated balloon inserted into his rear).
shareIt is not a "hot water bottle." It is an enema bag. The bottle is attached to a balloon enema tube. The balloon is inflated to hold the barium enema in place. The astronaut candidates received x-rays in which their colons were inflated with a barium enema. The barium is an x-ray absorber commonly called a contrasting agent when used in this context. Where the barium enema finds a leak, or fills a distention it reveals an irregularity in the colon and that would wash the candidate out from the program.
@brude : It's all the more weird then. Why insert such a scene if the director knows it can "disturb" people. He should have just have avoided it completely.
share"Was anyone else disturbed by Shepherd's impressions?"
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"Well my name is Jim, but most people call me.....Jim."
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There really is nothing so stupid as people under 35.
Wow.
Also, Shep plainly does a double-take when he notices Orderly Gonzalez towering over him and switches to an gruff, embarrassed "Buenos dias, Gonzalez."
shareHow dare they criticize then turn around and cause films such as "Borat", "Don't Mess with the Zohan", and "Bruno" to earn a ton of money! Which movie is more PC?! I swear that when PC came along as a phrase, "comedians" and others got worse, not better, not more sensitive! Go blast all of the "funny" guys of today! THEY are the ones who are outrageously non-PC! But, let one remark or a few moments happen in an older movie, and it's attacked, branded racist, and harshly criticized!
So, Gen XY, look to your movies before slamming older films, please. Movies have been released over the past years that go out of their way to insult as many people as possible. These grossout (so-called) comedies and even many dramas are much more at fault because writers and actors know what is considered PC.
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So, Gen XY, look to your movies before slamming older films, please. Movies have been released over the past years that go out of their way to insult as many people as possible. These grossout (so-called) comedies and even many dramas are much more at fault because writers and actors know what is considered PC.
I'm a Baby Boomer who gets weary about this topic.
Politically correct was a phrase first coined in the 1800's. Not sure I remember any comedians from that era...
shareHey old man, are the kids messing up your lawn again?
share"Yeah, Buenas Dias yourself." Mr. Gonzalez get his back on Alan Shepard.
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No, I was not bothered...When did we become such wussy, that everything anyone says offends someone....Oh yeah unless it is said about a white person..Then it is funny.........
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