Deleted Scenes


I've been a huge fan of this movie for years and the amount of deleted scenes always fascinated me. If you watch the trailer (around the 44 second mark), you can clearly see a scene of Braden firing an arrow that was not in the actual movie. Later in the trailer (1:04), you can see another unused scene of Braden slicing off Cathy's dress. Around 1:16 you can see what looks like the cops from the earlier scene entering the building.

In addition, there are two lobby cards that show off two different unused scenes.
http://www.moviestillsdb.com/movies/revenge-of-the-ninja-i86192/0IwkmX
http://humungus.tumblr.com/post/118493039708/the-ninja-a-go-go-sho-kosugi-revenge-of-the

I just purchased the new Blu Ray which had audio commentary by Sam Firstenberg and Steve Lambert. Firstenberg actually says that the original cut of the movie was around 2 hours, but Cannon told them to cut it down to 90 minutes. They also discuss a decapitation that was cut out when Braden first enters the building which makes me even more intrigued. Also, Firstenberg couldn't remember if Chifano had an actual death scene which is discussed in another thread.

Does anyone else want to find out what was cut? Or am I the only one lol? Has anyone ever contacted Firstenberg before?

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Yeah I do, I also loved this movie when I was younger but after watching it last night on bluray I started to realize there were deleted scenes missing too.

Chifano gets an arrow through his hand and then it cuts to Braden laughing from behind his mask and that was it?! What the hell?! The whole point of Braden infilitrating Chifano's building was to kill him and they didn't show it! I never cared before, but now I do!

What's cool is you can go to google maps and plot American Towers in Salt Lake City and you can see the twin buildings are still there and the roofs look exactly the same as the movie where the final fight took place!

Either way this movie is still the best ninja movie ever made, Sho is such an awesome fight choreographer.

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Here's your links in clickable format:

http://www.moviestillsdb.com/movies/revenge-of-the-ninja-i86192/0IwkmX

http://humungus.tumblr.com/post/118493039708/the-ninja-a-go-go-sho-kosugi-revenge-of-the

pretty cool photos, the first one I can tell was the basis for the old pan and scan dvd box cover.


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the first one I can tell was the basis for the old pan and scan dvd box cover.

The 4:3 (1.33:1) versions (VHS, DVD, TV broadcasts) weren't pan & scan. Sam Firstenberg shot the movie on 35mm film with a flat (spherical) lens, so the true aspect ratio of it is 1.375:1. To make the 4:3 versions they simply cropped a little bit off each side; no panning and scanning needed. When shown in the theater, they used an aperture mask, which blocks off part of the top and bottom of the image, to present the movie in 1.85:1. This method of filming is known as "soft matte". The idea is to film with both theatrical "widescreen" and home TV "fullscreen" presentation in mind, which avoids the undesirable pan & scan process when making the TV broadcast and home video release. Of course, that isn't an issue today, because nearly all TV broadcasts and home video releases are "widescreen", but it was an issue back then.

Here's a comparison of the 4:3 DVD and 16:9 Blu-ray:

http://i.imgur.com/6KcolOE.jpg

As you can see, the 4:3 version actually retains more of the image from the original negative. In comparison to the 1.85:1 version, it is missing a bit from both sides, but has a lot more on the top and bottom.

Here's an email Firstenberg sent to me when I asked him about it 7 years ago:
First I am happy to hear that you enjoyed "ROTN" so much through the years. Second all that you wrote about the ratio issue is right. At that time we use to photograph in full aperture or full screen 3 by 4 for the traditional old TV screens but at the same time the cinematographer was required to frame also 1.85 for theatrical projection. In the camera's viewfinder there are two horizontal lines marking that ratio. It is correct that in the theater projector there was a mask or "gate" that blocked some of the top and bottom to fit the ratio of the theater screen. Most of the new TV screens are "wide" 1 by 1.85 and at a click of a button you can blow up the picture to fit the screen and view the theatrical framing. Some new computers monitors are "wide" as well. Attached is a photo of Sho and I on the set of "Ninja"

Best regards

Sam

The only movies which require the pan & scan process for a 4:3 release are ones which are shot with an anamorphic lens, which "squeezes" a wide (typically 1.85:1 or 2.35:1) image onto the 1.375:1 film. Then, when projected, another anamorphic lens "unsqueezes" the image into the wide format. Since there is no excess picture on the top and bottom, the only way to make it 4:3 is to crop the hell off the sides, and with extreme cropping like that (it is especially extreme with 2.35:1 movies), they have to simulate camera panning to keep important things fully in the frame. For example, if there is a 2.35:1 stationary shot through the windshield of a car showing the driver and passenger having a conversation, if you simply crop equal amounts from both sides to make it 4:3, you'll end up with a view of mostly the empty space between the two people, with most of the two people being cropped away. So what the telecine operator will do is do all the cropping on the right-hand side when the passenger is talking, and then do all the cropping from the left-hand side when the driver is talking, making it look like the camera moved to focus just on the driver or just on the passenger.

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Perfect timing! I just seen the Bly Ray version a couple of hours ago.

On a Blu Ray forum, someone discussed a possible extended version of this film being released by some German company... I'm definitely intrigued.

There is also one cut disturbs me, and I definitely think it was edited for time constraint mentioned in the extras.

It is the final scene where Sho is about to stab the masked ninja. If you look, previously he was holding his larger ninja sword, it cuts to a shorter blade version before impalement. Hmmmmmm??????

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Agreed, that is a bad continuity error with the weapon blade change in the climax.

I remember seeing a scene on TV years ago with Sho practicing with a spear weapon in his dojo that is not in the dvd or Blu-ray cuts.

It's a shame they couldn't get the extra footage for a deleted scenes supplemental feature, hopefully they are in the MGM vaults somewhere.

"We're all afraid of the dark inside ourselves." - Sam Loomis

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I am a huge fan of this movie too. I would really love to see all of the extended/deleted scenes.
I noticed in the trailer, Braden was about to slash Cathy or her dress as you mentioned. I am very curious to see exactly what was happening here. Did Braden kill Cathy or perhaps he kills the other guy in a different way?

Also the final fight on the roof top was probably longer because if you look at the scene just before Braden gets stabbed, both ninjas have there swords and then in the next cut scene, they are on the ground and only a dagger is present. Perhaps there was some hand to hand combat much like Ninja 3 that was cut out. Anyways, like you, I would love to see the rest of the footage.

Chris

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Interesting.

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