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So how do yout perceive this in terms of continuity?


I mean, I know a lot of fans have a lot of different theories on the Bond films, the different actors/eras of the role and how they relate.

But I'm just curious, because from what I understand, this one is a remake of an earlier Connery film...

So for those that like to include this in any type of line-up, how and where do you consider it to belong?

Is it part of some 'Sean Connery entries only' series, except with Thunderball removed and this film being the final film, since apparently they are the same story?

I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.

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Despite being a remake, I always thought of this as a "Bond: the Later Years" set after the other films. I'm sure others would beg to differ.


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It is without a doubt later years Bond. It is mentioned by Bond himself M and Q that he hasn't been in action for a while.

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I like to view this as a closer to the Connery/Lazenby/Moore incarnation of Bond. Set at least a few years after AVTAK, with the traditional M now gone, and probably the old Q and Moneypenny also gone (yeah, I see Moneypenny more as a title, myself).

That being said, if one does this, one will also have to ignore the blatant Blofeld appearence and just pretend that Largo is the one who brought SPECTRE back for his own purposes. Which works for me, personally.

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I consider "Never Say Never Again" as taking place in its own little continuity, and in any case it's different enough from "Thunderball" that for the most part, it could probably exist within the Eon continuity. Just change the villian's name (he's a completely different person here anyway) and we're all set. (I personally hated the film, but that's besides the point here.)

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Some people believe that "James Bond" is just a code name and that there are various 007s. If this is the case, then this can be considered the last of the appearance of the "original" James Bond, but others come in to take his place. In any case, it still can't be considered the "last mission" since Blofeld is alive in this one and Bond faces off against him in later films before finally killing him off in Diamonds Are Forever. Just because Bond "retires" at the end of this one doesn't mean he stays in retirement. If memory serves me right, he's left the agency a couple times only to come back.

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You'll have to explain to me why they had Bond #3 visit the grave of Bond #2's wife, or why Bond #2 was keeping a bunch of mementos from Bond #1's missions in his desk. The fact is they're intended to be the same man, and he exists in a floating timeline (i.e. it periodically readjusts itself to modern day) that has some rocky continuity in places. The Craig movies aren't meant to be part of that timeline by the way. They reset the continuity with Casino Royale.

But if the code name theory helps you enjoy the movies, more power to you. My preferred revisionist fan theory is that each Bond exists in his own unique universe. In one he was born in the 1920s, in another he was born in the 1960s; in one he first met Blofeld in Japan, in another it was Switzerland; and so on and so forth. The code name theory reminds me of that goofy David Niven version of Casino Royale, so I don't favor it for the legit movies.

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There are two ways for me when I view the James Bond series and where this movie fits in and both have flaws.

I can watch it after 'Diamonds Are Forever' with Sean rapping up his role as Double-O-Seven. It's a huge leap from DAF to NSNA because of the technology though.

The other way is to watch it placing in order with the other films (after Octopussy). I just suspend disbelief on who is playing Bond just like I did with George Lazenby in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'.

Either way, I salute this movie as a proper send off for the original actor who played Bond. I loved that he was supposedly retiring at the end of the film.

I am of the belief that the name 'James Bond' is used strictly for British Secret Service Agent Double-O-Seven. It's my belief that the original name came from the first person to hold that number and that was during WWII (where Ian Fleming got the idea for the character).

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I am of the belief that the name 'James Bond' is used strictly for British Secret Service Agent Double-O-Seven. It's my belief that the original name came from the first person to hold that number and that was during WWII (where Ian Fleming got the idea for the character)


Skyfall kind of negated this by showing us the Bond house and his relatives tombstones with the name "Bond" on them. Makes things a bit more confusing.

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The best way to approach this is to think of it as an early 80s reunion movie produced for British television. The production values, particularly in the early scenes at Shrublands, etc. are about the same, and uncredited writers Dick Clement and Ian La Frenais were British TV vets. Pretend that the original Bond series ended when Connery retired after Diamonds Are Forever, and that the Moore films either don't exist or are a completely different film series all together. Approach it that way, and this film is actually a lot more fun.

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To me this is more a continuation of the first 3 movies and almost like Thuderball, YOLT and Diamonds are Forever never happeed kind of.

It does seem to tie in with those movies more than anything Moore did as Bond, so yes, this is Bond:The later Years.

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I don't think of Bond films having any continuity. I think of Bond sort of like Robin Hood or Batman. There's a loose mythology/character outline and cast of supporting characters, and whoever is running the show at the time (both lead actor and the behind the scenes people) do their interpretation. And while you might accept different interpretations of Robin Hood and Batman as canon separately, they usually can't both be canon in one universe. Batman (1989) and Batman Begins can't exist in the same universe. You just accept them as separate visions. That's pretty much the way I look at the Bond series, almost every different actor represents a reboot/re-imagining of the series. And each film usually adds to and draws from that overall mythology in their own way, and I try to appreciate them for what they bring to the series, as opposed to where they fit in with any type of continuity. And this extends beyond just the films, as you also have the literary James Bond, some video games with cool plots, etc. I consider it all equal, even if some I don't like. And so I consider "Never Say Never Again" a legitimate Bond film, even if not part of the "official" series. Broccoli/Saltzman didn't invent James Bond, the character is bigger than their series. It's a entertaining story about what would happen if an aging 007 were thrown into a Thunderball-esque situation. Since plot elements have been reused in Bond films before, almost to the point of being remakes (YOLT/TSWLM for example), the fact that it's a remake is no big deal. While watching NSNA you just put Thunderball out of your mind. This interpretation didn't go through those events.

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I would say 3 of the first 4 movies have continuity (only Goldfinger is stand alone from this period) and really its only when we get to the Moore years that this is taken away.... but I think by this stage they had run out of books and had to come up with fresh and new idea's.... from this period the only thing that links up to any previous movie is the intro to "For Your Eyes Only".

This is something that seems to be creeping back into the series.

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I wasn't saying I take every film as stand alone. I take each era/actor as stand alone, a reboot/re-imagining each time they recast. But even then, it's sort of a case by case basis. As some films within one actor's reign don't always fit in well. I'd say the continuity was already messed up before the Moore era, as they had Bond meeting Blofeld in OHMSS after they had already battled in YOLT. They shot the books out of order and just didn't make any alterations to that part of the plot. And for 3 films in a row from YOLT through DAF, Blofeld appeared as 3 different actors with 3 different approaches/looks. It's pretty much a different character each time. By the way, I like all of this about the series, I'm not complaining about the continuity, I don't need it. Constantly changing the way it does is probably what has kept it around and interesting all these years. It's a loose mythology that isn't a slave to continuity, which allows filmmakers freedom to keep the character fresh.

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