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How Could So Much Go So Wrong So Fast?




I remember when the commercials for this thing first aired, and I was very pumped up to see this film. Unfortunately, I have to say I have never been so disappointed in a movie in my life.

F Paul Wilson's novel falls into the "pulp horror" genre, but it is high-gloss pulp horror, and Wilson writes with style and even grace, but most of all, clarity. It is too bad that Michael Mann did not keep that clarity in mind when adapting the novel to the screen.

Not that it is all that bad as adaptations go: this isn't another butcher job along the lines of Kubrick's THE SHINING, but that being said, the movie does not have much else to recommend it. Which is a shock, because all the elements for a good movie were there, but what we got was an incoherent mess.

Scott Glenn, Ian McKellen, Alberta Watson, Jürgen Prochnow, Robert Prosky, and Gabriel Byrne lead the cast. A formidable collection of talent that should have made at the very least a decent movie, but for some reason, not only did it not come off, but the result was perfectly dreadful.

The story is a simple one: During World War II, a regiment of Nazis makes camp in an ancient "keep" (think castle) in a Romanian mountain pass. They soon discover that the keep is guarded by an evil entity that turns out to be half-vampire and half the Golem of Jewish mythology. But it takes the commander (Prochnow) some time, and the mutilation of some of his men by this creature, before he wires to Berlin for help, and by this time it is too late.

He does, however, take certain steps, the smartest of which is engaging the aid of a retired Jewish professor (McKellen) who is an expert on the area in general and the keep in particular, though in the end the truth even surpasses his knowledge. Ailing and in a wheelchair, he is attended by his devoted daughter Eva (Watson).

To counter the evil entity, there is also a sort of Christ figure with the odd name of Glaeken (Glenn), a man with glowing eyes who apparently has lived as long as the monster he seeks to conquer.

It all sounds like a jolly good ride, even if it isn't profound. Why, then, is it such a Godawful mess?

For starters, much too much of this film takes place in the dark. This is faithful to the novel, but problematic when the film audience needs to see what is going on and the director has failed to light his scene properly.

The second gaffe is unfortunately also taken right out of the novel. Glaeken has sex with Eva on the strength of a few days acquaintance, which strains credibility since an unmarried and devout Jewish woman of that time would never have allowed such a thing to happen. But this is a place where the novel slips and I suppose the filmmakers can't be blamed for keeping it.

As to the rest, I can't even tell you what happens, because the whole thing is so confusing that half the time we don't even know what character(s) we are dealing with (yes, the screen is that dark). Like most novels in the genre, the book was plot-heavy. The movie attempts to squeeze as much of the novel in as it can, but it does so in a sloppy manner with terrible camera work and a complete lack of regard for his actors on the part of Mann. This doesn't seem to faze McKellen or Prochnow, who at least have some grasp on their characters, but the rest of the cast is left floundering without guidance, and it is Glenn's performance, unfortunately, that suffers the most. Glenn was and is a talented guy, but during most of this movie he seems not to know what he is doing, and appears to be wishing he were elsewhere (which for all we know he might have).

Add to this a score by Tangerine Dream which, though clearly meant to provide atmosphere à la JAWS, HALLOWEEN, SUSPIRIA, and THE EXORCIST, is merely loud, noisy, intrusive, and annoying.

A terrible movie. And a terrible disappointment because the book was so good.




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It doesn't work as a film. On this we agree. I haven't read the book so can't make the comparisons you have. My main issue with the film was that the greed of the Nazi soldiers happened too quickly. I would have preferred a bit longer spent in the build-up with them exploring the keep, discussing the possibility of silver and hearing folk lore whispers from the villagers. The keep itself and the village were great to look at and added atmosphere as did the soundtrack, which I quite liked ... The other major failing is seeing the monster and how it kills. It would have been better IMO to not see much and keep the audience in the dark literally.

The acting was poor. I think in part because there was no characterisation, or else it was very limited. I liked the mystery of Scott Glenn's character and his ambiguity throughout much of the film and sorry to say I liked him as the character!

I see in the film many of the trademarks that Mann brought to Manhunter and made successful with that film where it was unsuccessful here.

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Perhaps if Mann had been allowed by the studio to keep his original longer version, then many of the faults listed would have been resolved or at least improved upon. We will never know, because the 3.5 hr original cut is likely lost forever.

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I loved it personally even if yes it is a bit of a mess in many ways. But i take issue with the part about the germans looting so quick, the german army looted there way across europe west and east, and did it in very quick time, so imo of course they would do it straight away. Hell it was nazis policy to take everything they could back to germany be it people or art work, so the regular rank and file and the ss would be quite happy to get stuck in.

This this was not germany but romania who though would be on there side, were seen as inferior by the germans all the way through the war, and mostly treated like crap, left to guarding the flanks of there advance into russia with substandard supplys and weapons. Something that would cost the germans dear in stalingrad when they ignored repeated warnings how weak the flanks were, only to ignore them, and then watch in horror as the russians sliced through them with ease

They were also keep well away from there hated but also fellow reluctant axis partner hungary, as they hated each other worse then they hated any one else lol

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Was really looking forward to seeing this film but the score instead of enhancing the movie was intrusive and inappropriate, and in the end made it unwatchable for me.

Reference the almost instantaneous looting by the German soldiers, totally unbelievable.
If ordered not to, as they were they knew the penalty if they did, which was not pleasant.

In the end couldn't watch it.

After all of the expectations a very big disappointment.

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It almost works better as a mood-piece, or as a music video with a rough narrative, rather than an adaptation of an actual book (I've not read the book(s) so I can't vouch for how accurate it is). The movie seemed a bit hard to follow, though I liked the Lovecraftian elements.

Accurate (historically or to the book) or not, the 'silver!' Looting scene is still a great scene mood-wise imho, but the slo-mo running of the soldiers and the dry-ice screams '80s music video!' to me, though it did turn me on to Tangerine Dream (was already a fan of Jarre, Carpenter and too many Industrial bands to mention).

A remake could be interesting, especially if done in a much less stylized and more coherent way.

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