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If you want to know what the writer thought of the film...


F. Paul Wilson is well known to have been, to say the least, dissatisfied with the treatment of his book.

What many people don't know is exactly how much he hated it.

He released a collection of short-stories in the late 80s called "Soft and others" (the original edition is long out of print but it can still be found in used bookstores/online and there is also an electronic edition available for download).

One of the stories is called "Cuts" and it is about an author who sells the rights to his book to Hollywood only to see it butchered by a hack director. So the author takes a particularly gruesome and weirdly-appropriate revenge on the director.

Allow me to quote the introduction to the story:



Another Just Deserts story.

I never would have written this one if not for Dave Schow. We were conversing aimlessly at the 1986 World Fantasy Convention in Providence when he mentioned an anthology he was pitching to the publishers. The title was "Silver Scream" and was to contain horror stories dealing with 'the Hollywood experience.' Dave knew my feelings about the way "The Keep" had been treated on the screen. Would I be interested in contributing? I said most definitely. (See? Business really does get done at these conventions.)

Cuts is probably one of the nastiest stories I've ever written. I wanted to do a toned-down rewrite but Dave threatened me with bodily harm if I touched it. So I didn't.

-F. Paul Wilson




If you like Wilson's stuff or just hated the film and wondered who exactly brought such a horrible piece of crap into existence... you owe it to yourself to read the story. I will warn you... it isn't for the squeamish or faint of heart. I'll put it this way: it could NEVER be filmed.

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Movie does has its flaws but isn't terrible.

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You're kidding, right?


Maybe for someone who's never read the book. But if you have read the book, the movie is a festering abomination.

And I'm not talking about all the myriad ways in which movies are usually inferior to books - the inherent limitations of the cinematic format with regard to seeing what goes on inside the heads of the characters of the story and such...

I'm talking about many aspects of the film that shows Michael Mann not only failed to grasp the basic concept of the story but failed in fundamental ways as a filmmaker to bring that story alive on the screen.




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No. I have read the book. Many times. As I have already said, the movie does have it's flaws. The movie is not an abomination. The movie is a movie. Some things work, somethings don't.

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Name one thing in that movie that "works".




Funny story: I saw the film when I lived in Hollywood and as I walked out of the theater, I saw that walking out next to me was the actor George Wendt (of Cheers fame). I looked at him, he looked at me... there was a pause and he said:

"What a piece of s**t that was."

I said something like "Yeah... I had the bad luck to read the book first."

He says "Really? There was a book? What was it like?"

I said "It was pretty good. I bet the author is pissed..."

He chuckled and said something like "Poor bastard, I hope he got a LOT of money".

And we said goodbye and went our separate ways.


In any case, I'll stick with my assessment - and the assessment of F. Paul Wilson... since it was his book that got massacred by that hack Mann.




-I don't watch Fox 'News' for the same reason I don't eat out of the toilet

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Haha man if that was true, what a glorious memory :)

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One of the fun aspects of growing up in Hollywood... you never knew who you were going to run into on the street.

A friend and I were going to pick someone up at LAX back in the early 90s and as we were riding one of the "people carriers" (i.e. flat escalators) to the meeting point, I looked ahead of me and saw George Takei coming toward me on the other side.

As we got closer, I waved, caught his eye and said "Hi, George, great to see you"

He responded cordially and said "Hi, you too!" we continued on our separate ways.

My friend (who was a huge Trekkie) was about to have a stroke... He was all "You *know* George Takei?!"

I smiled and said "Doesn't everyone?"

I didn't, of course. We'd never seen each other before in our lives.

If you see someone famous and you're polite and mindful of personal boundaries, they'll usually respond politely. That's my experience anyway.

Most famous people realize they'd be never have gotten where they did without their fans. The fans they have trouble with are the ones who forget some basic rule of human interaction.





-I don't watch Fox 'News' for the same reason I don't eat out of the toilet

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