Darkwolf
Alright, who else thought Darkwolf was the baddest MF'r in the world.
And then if you have the guts to answer truthfully, who made their character just like him in Dungeons & Dragons?
Alright, who else thought Darkwolf was the baddest MF'r in the world.
And then if you have the guts to answer truthfully, who made their character just like him in Dungeons & Dragons?
Well not the baddest MFer in the world but the baddest MFer in Fire and Ice.
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Sorry... Darkwolf was great and all, but Nekron gets my vote.
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There are sooo many bad motherFer's in movies, coimcs and video games the list would go on and on. But Darkwolf is not number one on that list.
shareThe whole line when Larn says something like "there's at least fifty of them." and Darkwold answers "That seems to be right." he was almost as macho as Conan. I'm afraid that he is the second meanest MF next to Conan himself. Conan would kick his ass. BY CROM!
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Alright, it's really hypothetical and subjective, but I can reply to some of these comparisons…Dark Wolf may not be as nimble as the many samurai or ninja type heroes and villains on your list. You are evidently biased toward these types of characters.That's cool. I like 'Ninja Scroll' (the original) and Samurai Jack too. However, Dark Wolf wouldn't back away from a fight with any of them. He is as strong or stronger than any, and unlike many, has nothing to lose but his dignity. I wouldn't underestimate his meelee skills with that axe, even against a competently handled kitana.
But William Wallace from 'Braveheart' more badass than Dark Wolf? Don't make me laugh! The latter's work with the axe makes the former's use of the claymore appear like child's play in comparison.
If Dark Wolf can resist Nekron's arcane powers, I wouldn't count him out against any of the Sith on your list. That is not easy for me to say either, as I have always believed that Darth Vader is unquestionably the greatest movie villain of all time. Of course, the Sith would have technological advantages against a medieval type of character…
Vampire Hunter D (Dunpeal) is an interesting character (compare 'Blade', 'Captain Kronos: Vampire Hunter', 'Van Helsing', 'Underworld'), but he is weak in sunlight, and is a little too given to brooding and self-pity ("I'm a Dunpeal. I don't get to have a life.") to be considered among the biggest badasses.
O.k., Magneto could probably take away the Wolf's axe with his powers and throw it back at him. But, suppose Dark Wolf wore no armor and used a club instead, and the fight occurred in a forest or other wilderness setting? So much the worse for Magneto.
The Punisher is one of my favorite badasses, but take away his firearms and explosives, and what would he have against the Wolf?
Wolverine is the character most similar to Dark Wolf on the VampireWraith list. His adamantium skeleton would probably give him an advantage.
Snake Eyes from G.I. Joe? Please. I remember that cartoon. Those guys go out of their way to avoid a scratch.
As for the ultimate dark ages match-up, I think Conan vs. Dark Wolf would be too close to call. Very similar characters. Wolf was obviously modeled on Conan, like countless other fantasy and comic book heroes.
Anyway, it's all just my opinion-equally impossible to prove or disprove.
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O.k. I didn't name all the characters because I was unfamiliar with some of them; although I have seen 'Hero', 'Ninja Scroll', and 'Sword for Truth,' among others of the genre. However, I could tell that most of them belong in the samurai/ninja category and such characters are comparable to one another in the way that Conan and Dark Wolf are. In terms of strength, fearlessness and experience, I think the Wolf could hold his own against many of them, but if I am wrong (which, again, cannot be proven or disproven) then that's fine.
As for Dark Wolf's axe, yes I think it is a formidable weapon, but I can't remember saying that it would guarantee his victory against any opponent. He could certainly handle multiple attackers with it though.
You said a werewolf charged at D at half the speed of sound? I had no idea that werewolves could run that fast? Is that specifically what the book said? You also said that he "dogged the werewolf"? I didn't know that D swung that way… oh, wait a minute! You must have meant that he 'dodged' the werewolf. Anyway, with prolonged exposure to sunlight, D could hardly beat anybody, not even to mention Dark Wolf.
I will take your word for it about Magneto. You know much more about him than I do. However, he is a completely different kind of character in a completely different universe. The comparison is not really fair.
The Punisher is a great character and I acknowledge his record, but that is really beside the point. If you put him in Dark Wolf's world (which would be earth during the last ice age, I guess; or perhaps Scandinavia in the
Dark Ages), where there are no guns or explosives, he would not be any better than the Wolf. Maybe not much worse, but certainly no better. In a dark alley in NYC, Frank Castle would need more than his throwing knives to beat the Wolf! And besides, how badass are most of Punisher's opponents? Some are very badass, but how many are really more badass than Dark Wolf, especially without their guns and explosives?
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O.k. when I compared Darkwolf to Magneto, I was thinking about Magneto from the X-Men movies. Obviously, the movies provide much less information than the comics or graphic novels or whatever. In fact, I thought the discussion only involved movies, not comics or video games. O.k.?
For the record (and you can go back and read it) I have not said that Darkwolf's axe made him invincible. Period. I just think it is a badass medieval-style weapon.
O.k. so D is more deadly than Darkwolf. What the Wolf lacks in supernatural powers (as he evidently has none) he compensates for in attitude. That's one reason why I think he's cool.
The Punisher has done more badass things to people because he is a psychologically damaged sadist. Still a great character though.
Are we clear now?
I agree with you and some of the others Darkwolf is a badass, about as good as they come and I think this other guy is an idiot for his comparisons. magneto has taken more then his share of defeats. D is one cool cat but when it comes to the total badass that Darkwolf is he is lacking. OH I have a good one GOD could beat them all. Boy now I sound like a dumbass, and let me guess smart boy is going to respond with the Saint of Killers (PREACHER). Right. Anyways Rock on.
shareHey Gabriel
Thanks for the props! Even though I like many comic book characters, my favorite kinds of heroic characters are the ones without supernatural powers. They must rely on themselves-their strength, wisdom and courage. Remember that Conan, who was always suspicious and a bit fearful of magic, overcame these inhibitions to defeat the many sorcerers and petty wizards he faced. He always found a way to beat them. Darkwolf, likewise showed great resisitance to Nekron's power. And maybe a samurai sword is more practical, but a competently wielded double-headed axe with a spike on the end, like the one Darkwolf has, is just a cool, badass weapon.
D is a cool character, don't get me wrong. He is a sensitive and introspective hero, which is different and cool in its own way. But I am suspicious about some of the claims that Vampire Wraith made about his abilities. D certainly has some badass abilities, but lacks a badass attitude. The attitude helps create the mystique!
It's funny, I thought about making your same point about the Supreme Being, but I didn't want to provoke our friend, Vampire Wraith. He seemed worked up enough already.
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yeah, swords are better, and in this case Samurai Swords are better.
Let me add to the list.
Itto Ogami (Lone Wolf And Cub).
Kubikiri Asa (Samurai Executioner).
The Ninja (Marvel Comic Books).
Utsutsu Mujuro (Ninja Scroll).
Hiko Seijuro (Samurai X).
Shuranosuke Sakaki (Sword For Truth).
Kratos (God Of War).
Sky (Hero).
Nameless (Hero).
Zatoichi (The Blind Swordsman).
Musashi Miyamoto (Samurai).
Kojiro Sasaki (Samurai).
Spartan Warrios(Sparta).
Magua (Last Of The Mohicans).
Hawkeye (Last Of The Mohicans).
Chingachgook (Last Of The Mohicans).
William Wallace (Braveheart).
Achilles (Trojan War).
Darth Vader (Star Wars).
Count Dooku (Star Wars).
Darth Maul (Star Wars).
Kain (Legacy Of Kain).
Raziel (Soul Reaver).
Vampire Hunter D.
Samanosuke Akechi (Onimsuha).
Kaede (Onimusha).
Alucard (CastleVania: Symphony Of The Night).
Asukai Shiro (Samurai: Heaven And Earth).
Magneto (Marvel Comic Books).
X-Man (Marvel Comic Books).
Batman (DC Comic Books).
The Punisher (Marvel Comic Books).
Wolverine (Marvel Comic Books).
Sanke-Eyes (G.I. Joe).
T-1000(T2).
Terminator (Terminator 1).
T2(Terminator 2).
I'll keep putting more and more.
This list is mostly redundant. Most of these characters were already listed by Professor Vampire Wraith, and have been discussed at some length. In my opinion, cyborgs and characters with godlike powers shouldn't count because they belong in a completely different universe. I also think that characters who can rely on natural strengths are generally more interesting anyway, but that's just my opinion. I must say though, that your inclusion of characters from 'Last of the Mohicans' is a bit odd. Do you really think that was a good story? 'G.I. Joe' sucks completely, so please, no Snake Eyes! And William Wallace is strictly minor league.
shareSpare us the *beep* history lesson, professor! We don't care how much you know about samurai swords, and it has very little to do with fantasy and comic books.
But I still feel compelled to ask: did the book specifically state that the werewolf charged at D at that speed, or is this just your embellishment? Whatever, it really doesn't matter.
I don't give an F if you care. I'll name as name characters as I can.
"But I still feel compelled to ask: did the book specifically state that the werewolf charged at D at that speed, or is this just your embellishment? Whatever, it really doesn't matter."
Your right it doesn't matter. D still wins that fight.
My point is, professor, how is all your name dropping and lecturing relevant to a discussion that involves a few people sharing impressions about one particular character from an obscure, almost forgotten, 22-year old animated fantasy film? This whole thing has been blown out of proportion and distorted all to hell! We had a lighthearted discussion about a particular character, in only one particular story, who we thought was cool or "badass." But then a smartass know-it-all got involved and got all serious with it. If you think there are countless other fantasy/ sci-fi/ comic book characters who are far more impressive, that's fine. It is a matter of taste. This has been my point all along. It is a very simple one. Why get all worked up?
shareOh yeah?
Well Thanos is much more badass.
And Kyle Rayner when he became Ion!
Plus, Harry Keogh the Necroscope. Especially circa Deadspawn.
Or what about the Saint of Killers, as someone else said?
hey, I know.
LUCIFER.
Or Marv! (Marv, of course, is actually a pretty good competitor for DarkWolf if you think about it)
or maybe Swamp Thing. Being an Earth Elemental made of vegetable matter and all, he doesn't particularly have a body per se.
Or John Constantine! the slimy bastard can trick anyone or anything...
maybe Apocalypse?
Maybe Yorick Brown, since in his world everyone you named would be dead already.
I KNOW!
Kenshiro!
Sheesh.
Your namedropping brought me GREAT amusment though, just so's ya know. Thanks for the laughs!
(and cheers on the positive attitude kev ;)
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Let me get this strait…the samurai sword is better than the axe because it has more history. Are you sure that it does? Humans were probably chopping wood before they began chopping each other, or at least one could presume that these behavioral traits began more or less concurrently. Anyway, axes are among the oldest stone and metal tools. Such tools were readily adaptable as weapons. Just consider all the so-called "pole arms" which evolved from medieval agricultural tools. On the other hand, one could say that the samural sword has more history than the firearm, but which is better, particularly when opposing one another? Remember the scene from 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' when Indy faces the swordsman on the street in Cairo? Or how about the venerable spear versus bolt action single shot Martini-Henry rifles-ever seen 'Zulu'? Not that I mean to give a nerdy history lesson, or any such thing…
I will respond to your second point with a point I have made all along, which is that there is nothing to back up because everybody's opinion is unprovable. It all depends on context. I think Dark Wolf was obviously based on Conan, a character with no supernatural powers, who feared wizards, but nevertheless found a way to slice and dice them. That is how things worked in Conan's world of Hyboria. Things may not work out so well for a hero such as Conan in another world, but it matters not, because Conan does not exist in any other world. Speculation about such things is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, pardon the cliche. Now, I will qualify this a bit by saying that if one wanted to make a movie like 'Godzilla vs. King Kong' (yes, they made one many years ago, and I will not say who won for those who have not seen it) or 'Freddie vs. Jason' (haven't seen it and don't care), or 'Alien vs. Predator' (a mediocre movie in my opinion), then such a movie would be cool only if it plausibly depicted how such an encounter would happen and what might be the logical outcome. This takes me to my main point, that each of the three examples above include characters who could plausibly exist in the same world or universe. So, if you want to pit Dark Wolf against the Dunpeal hunter, then sure, D wins. However, remember that Dark Wolf belongs to an obscure distant past and D belongs in a distant, apocalyptic future. His universe is a curious mix of fantasy and sci-fi, and well conceived, I might add. But, I think, it is just too different from the imagined ice age/dark age world of 'Fire and Ice'; so an imagined confrontation between characters from these two very different worlds makes very little sense; and placing a character like Dark Wolf in the high tech Marvel universe would make even less.
Along those lines however, a Dark Wolf versus Conan or Kull would be pretty awesome. Or if Dark Wolf was whisked to mars for some weird reason, a Dark Wolf versus John Carter. Hell, Darkwolf versus Wolverine would be plausible. Speaking of Wolverine wasn't there a Marvel "What if" that dealt with Wolverine fighting Conan?
shareI think you're right, and I think those are all interesting possibilities. Dark Wolf vs. Wolverine might work, but not Dark Wolf vs. Magneto. That would just be too much of a stretch. I am not aware of the Marvel match-up between Conan and Wolverine (we know who Vampire Wraith thinks would win), but it makes sense, because both characters have appeared in Marvel comics. It sounds like a cool match.
shareThe Samurai Sword has been used in many movies, TV shows, comic books, books, novels, anime and manga.....then again the only reason why were talking about this is bcuase you just gave a dump reason as to why the axe is a better weapon.
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"Your right that is just your opinion. But I'm sorry that's not good enough and that doesn't matter. When someone says that this character is more badass than any other character there going to have to back that up BIG FING TIME. And if they can't then they should take it back. I'm just not going to say anything when I know there wrong. Doesn't work like that."
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Take it back.....I would like that too. And all those characters do apply. Can't just say that....but then again what else can you say but that. You only just give your opinion while VampireWraith gives the facts as to why those characters would win.
His "facts" are speculative. There are few solid facts in these kinds of discussions. That is why it's called "fantasy," folks. And for the record, I never said that the axe was a better weapon. What I tried to do was establish why the professor's arguments to the contrary were suspect. It is not the same thing. For what it's worth, I would think that what matters most is the individual wielding the weapon, more than the weapon itself. I tried to illustrate this, using as an example the film 'Zulu'.
shareOMG NERD ALERT
shareIt's 100% subjective man.
You don't need to call us "idiots". Thank you.
I love Nekron and Darkwolf always, but when i grew up i really like more Darkwolf than Nekron. Nekron is a little....er...gay? O_o. I don't like him very much because he waste Teegra. WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIM? O_o.
this a list for gay pride? DW whops any of these easily, i mean count dooku wtf you smoking?
share"So...you people are saying that Darkwolf is cooler and better than other characters even when it comes to other movies, comic books, and video games. Oh really..... "
Also I got to love this no one even said that it seems you started the argument. From the post before all I saw was "Darkwolf was cool but he isn't the coolest"
Also I would kick all those guys asses cause unlike them I exist therefore I am the most badass MF ever!
Darkwolf hands down. He took Nekron's best sissy B.S. telekenesis and put a battle axe between his damn ribs.
How about Nekron vs. Commodus vs. Joffrey Baratheon for Best Wimpy Villian In A Film Or TV Show (Who seriously needs to brutally die)?
Just watched the movie and was pleasantly surprised that Darkwolf survived. I thought they'd kill him off so Larn could become the hero and not seem to useless.
shareThis thread has to be the saddest thing I've ever read. Boil off all the filler, the pseudo-intellectualism, and the geek factor and all you have is a "mighty mouse vs. superman" argument.
I agree. This is basically what I have been saying for some time now. I guess my mistake was responding to VampireWraith. I should have engaged only those who have a sense of humor and understand that fantasy taken too seriously ceases to be fantasy.
shareIts long overdue here but jesus, Vampire Wraith is an ásshóle. Fair dues to kevinice for representing Darkwoulf, he is BADASS!
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He is awesome! even though he looks like a cross between Batman and Conan. Ralph Bakshi's second best movie next to "American Pop" and "Wizards".
"Questions, Questions, too many questions, you want a shard, Here!'- Aughra, The Dark Crystal.
Dark Wolf does kick a$$. I would pit him against any opponent that is based in reality. Meaning no mutants, no vampires, etc...
Now I have to say this to MR. Vampire. I believe Alucard from Hellsing could take your vampire any day of the week. Alucard can't die as far as I know, his head can be chopped off, he can go down in a hail of bullets, he can be pierced many times by religious blades, so on and so forth, and he just comes back, calls up his minions or just shoots you and down you go.
A five (and more) year old argument about who would win in a fight between fantasy characters??? Come on!!! Is this a joke or are all Americans really like the kids in 'Stand by me'???
That aside, the character of Darkwolf pretty much IS Conan. Frazetta and Bakshi would have been making a Conan movie if they'd had the rights, no doubt, but they didn't, so they made the next best thing. It could be argued that Darkwolf is really Frazetta's Death Dealer but as 'Dealer' was just a Conan copy anyway I think my argument stands.
Perhaps Milius and Schwarzenegger should have taken a similar approach cos DW is 99% closer to the original fictional character of Conan than the junk they managed to come up with.
Darkwolf was awesome.
I'm a totally bitchin' bio writer from Mars!