Am I nuts or did the original theatrical and 80's HBO version have a longer scene in which Tweety and/or Viking raped "Little Dark Meat"? I seem to remember being shocked as a kid at seeing the kid's bare butt. Maybe it was earlier and prompted LDM buying a knife to protect himself. Does anybody else remember this?
shareOh my god, I think you may be right. I have THE VAGUEST memory of something like that, but it's so vague that I couldn't come close to saying that it was definitely there.
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I've just seen the movie and I had a slight memory of Horowitz being raped. But its not in the version I've just seen.
And does it mean that a man is a homosexual if he's raped? That must be the dumbest question I've ever read. What do you think you retard? Would you be homosexual if I raped you?
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shareWhoah, take it easy there buddy. Maybe you shouldn't start calling people names just yet, as you clearly misunderstood the question. He asked, "Does that make Tweety a fag?" Tweety was the rapist, not the victim. Terrell was the victim. Of course that doesn't make the victim homosexual, as he is a victim. But in Tweety's case, I think it's a valid question, especially considering the fact that Tweety is released a short time later. It's not like he was an adult serving 30 years to life, in which case the circumstances might be a little different.
shareYoure right, I misunderstood, thought Tweety was the victim. Sorry about that.
It is a valid question but I dont think anybody turn out gay even if they serve 30 to life. But hey, thats just me. Spent 9 years in a all boys school and that sure as h*ll did not make me gay - on the contrary! ;-)
But on the other hand, do we know for a fact what took place in that cell? In my copy of the movie one really cant tell if theres anything sexual or Tweety just beating up/humiliating the younger guy.
I wasn't saying serving a 30 to life sentence would turn someone gay. What I meant was that someone serving a sentence of that magnitude obviously isn't getting any female action, unless they're fortunate enough to get a congical visit. And even so, those usually are few and far between. As a result, they may turn to raping weaker male inmates, because that's the only type of sexual contact they can get. Now, in Tweety's case, his sentence was nowhere near that long. Again, we see him get released. So, the question is why would he be raping another boy when he only had a few months to go before his release? He wasn't going to spend his entire life there without ever seeing a woman again, so the circumstances are different. Once released he could easily go out and try to get some action from a girl, even if he had to go to a hooker. So again, you have to wonder, was he actually gay, and is that why he raped Terrell? As for what happened in the cell, you're right, we don't actually see what's happening, but earlier in the movie, Tweety and Viking pass by Terrell's cell, and Tweety says something like "Ain't he sweet?!" Then they blow kisses at him. And if you listen close during the actual scene, you can't faintly hear Terrell saying, "Get off me you fag!" So even though we might actually not see the rape, I think it is suggested.
shareObviously I have a cut edition although it doesn't say so on the cover. I'm surprised! What you described does strongly suggest that there was a rape.
In my copy, there are no blowkisses or "ain't he sweet" said at all in the movie and Terrell doesn't say "get off me you fag" during the actual scene. What can be heard during the scene is just "What do you want!" and then the camera quickly cuts to other inmates looking at the cell and Viking.
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I'm not sure which DVD copy I have, but I know it's one of the first dvd versions released. I think it's the Uncut one someone mentioned earlier. The scene he's describing with the "Get off me you fag!" and the blown kisses are both in the one I own. I think the producers were trying to make the rape as obvious as possible without saying it or actually showing it. If they had intended it to just be a severe beating, you would have seen him emerge covered in wounds. Instead, (if my memory serves me), you don't see so much as a scratch on his face. I don't think they would have let something like that slip by.
Guys, Tweety throws the boy on the bed and then straddles him as the door shuts. Tweety bird is definitely a molester! Kind of made the revalation of his death on the outside a little less impactful for me.
shareGuys, Tweety throws the boy on the bed and then straddles him as the door shuts. Tweety bird is definitely a molester! Kind of made the revalation of his death on the outside a little less impactful for me.
shareIn the United States in particular, rape in prisons is a major problem, and may be perpetrated by inmates who do not view themselves as bisexual or homosexual. One of the conceptions that tends to minimize prison rape and sexual coercion is that the penetrating partner uses the act primarily to assert control or dominance, thus minimizing this activity as an expression of sexuality per se, an idea which is still repugnant to many, including perpetrators themselves. A man who has been raped, or who has been the receptive partner during intercourse, is often regarded as less masculine and hence a target for future rape and other violence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_sexuality
It also establishes that person as "property" to be kept or traded as well.
I saw this in the theater back in '83 and yeah, I do remember that victim's butt being exposed on the bunk. There was absolutely no question that kid was raped, and there was absolutely nothing homosexual about it.
"Atlas Shrugged" coming soon to a theater near you!
So a guy porks another guy and there's 'absolutely nothing homosexual about it'? Huh?
Oh, and isn't the kid who gets thrown off the balcony Terrell after he comes at Tweety with a knife? I watched this on Netflix on demand and it was intact. Surprised any version cut that scene as its reference later on and kind of crucial.
Some of you don't get this. Prison rape is not about sex. It's, as been mentioned, about power and control. Rape in general is not about sex. I don't know how hard that is to understand. For example: if a woman tells a man "no" and he forces himself on her...his desire to control her is what drives him based on his feelings of rejection or superiority or both. Sex as an act is not about cohersion, its about willingness based on expressed mutual feelings of desire. When there are not mutual feelings, it becomes rape. The same token applies here...the kid told Tweety "no", Tweety still forced himself on the kid against his wishes. This isn't about sex, it's about control and power. That's all you need to keep in mind.
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Not the brightest bulb on the tree, are you?
shareI think we have to remember, rape isn't about "sex", it's about control, domination and humiliation, among other sick motivations.
Rape isn't about "sexual pleasure," especially in prison; it's about power, dominating another person and thus earning respect. Tweety wasn't gay, he was just a bastard. And he most likely had the same thing done to him at an earlier age too.
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Tweety and his cell-queen were homos. Notice the prominent display of muscle men pictures on the walls. This was never shown in another cell.
In 1983, Hollywood was not yet politcally correct.
Yes, you are correct. I remember that scene when it first aired on cable, and again when I bought this movie on VHS around 1997, and that scene is there. It was deleted from the "Uncut" DVD release. And, no, there is no scene where Horowitz is raped. He's actually my favorite character from the movie.
shareYes, I remember the rape scene. Horowitz was raped on the bed. It was very disturbing to watch as a young teenager. There was also a scene in which a kid gets thrown off the balcony by one of the bigger kids. Both of these scenes were cut out for the DVD and cable versions. Just like in "The Prince of Tides", the rape scenes were cut out in the cable version.
shareOn what versions do these cut scenes occur? I saw Bad Boys in August 1985, when we first got cable on HBO. Would those scenes have been there at that time? When were they taken out? We should ask the DVD company about this.
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Saw and recorded it on VHS way back from HBO. Loved the movie but never saw any rape scene. Is this for real? I was like 12 and would have remembered that. Just saw this again on cable.....10/14 Later
Maybe the rape scene is what stimulated Penn to go on and play Milk.
shareI saw this back in the theaters in 83. I do not remember Horowitz getting raped at all. I do remember, vaguely, the young black inmate getting raped by Tweety as being more graphic in the theatrical verision, showing more then was necessary.
shareI think they corrected this issue with the bluray. The original length of the film is 123 minutes but the dvd is around 104 minutes. The Bluray is 123 or 124 minutes.
shareDear Lord...Horowitz is never raped, the little black kid is. You guys are having memories of something that didn't happen, which is normal.
Great movie, by the way.
when Tweety got out he screwed 50 broads.
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i think last i saw this movie, i counted to 10 & it was all over.
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