Is the Ellen James character and Society real?
Is the Ellen James character and Society real?
shareI wouldn't have thought so, they would probably have a website these days, whether they are still around or not. There is a indie rock band callled the ellen james society from america somewhere, and also an ellen james who writes romance books... but other than that. Could possibly be a reference to a similar society from around the time but you would need someone far older than myself to find out
shareI see obvious references to Titus Andronicus by William Shakespeare, where a character named Lavinia is raped and then mutilated (including the removal of her tongue) so that she can't reveal whodunnit. She does anyway, by writing with her arm-stumps.
You're right, and I'm ashamed i didn't notice it myself, especially since I've always been especially fond of that play.
shareNo, thank God.
Although if you researched it, I'm sure you could find similar groups.
I've heard that these groups are real. Crazy femminists trying to stand firm
share"Garp" was written at a time when the issue of rape had suddenly become very politicized due to the women's movement. A tremendous best-seller at the time was "Against Our Will: Men, Women, and Rape" by Susan Brownmiller, whose thesis was that rape had a traceable history as a means of keeping women downtrodden and and their bodies a symbolic battleground for men to purusue their agendas. Some of her theory has since been shot down, partly due to women's advances in the work world and more sexual freedoms, though the incidence of sexual exploitation has probably gone up with all the crap on the Internet.
Anyway, the relation of this to "Garp" seems to be that there was a element, or perception, of rape in most of Garp's sexual enounters, at least initially, and that the juxtaposition of his infidelities to Helen's sole attempt at extramarital sexual expression, the horrible death of their child, his encounter with the true victim Ellen James, the voluntary castration of Roberta, and the lifelong resentment of Pooh Percy, somehow represent the guilt men ought to be feeling. Or whatever!! In some ways, the book IS a product of its times.
"Shake me up, Judy!"
Which is interesting considering his mother basically raped his biological father, although she didn't consider it as such.
My spin: Ellen James didn’t like the fact that those women seemed to be making a big thing forever and ever about her being a victim rather focusing on her potential strengths. Yeah, what happened to her was awful. But I loved the way she ran out in the street and flagged down that taxi! And that was after she had helped save Garp from an angry mob! She wanted to put the rape and mutilation behind her and just be strong. And she was! And Garp (and Irving) got it right.
shareit's amazing because when you hear about ellen jamesian you think this is so far fetched it COULD be true!!!
same thing about the novel, it's so outrageous that it rings true!!!
there must be some society that does something like that, there are people who are crazy enough, god bless them!
if you look up "ellen james society" on wikipedia.org...
it tells you that the ellen james society is a band who gets their name from the fictional group created around a fictional character from the john irving novel.
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^^ Smart a$s. It is not entirely implausible that John Irving loosely based the character on someone--real or fictive--which is why the OP asked.
Nice posts Revenant, Nihilist, and MTulliver.
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Ms. Magazine picked John Irving as one of their ten heroic men (or something like that) as he truly understood the horror and tragedy that is rape.
Rape appears in every one of his novels.
So do bears, farting, nurses and Berlin.
Ellen James was an amazing character in the novel.
You should really read the novel. The movie cut out so much and created things (flight for one) that were not in the novel.
Agreed to a related post- Robin Williams best work. The perfect choice. Actually the whole movie is so well cast.
How does somebody write with their armpits?
shareTed Hughes and Sylvia Plath? I just saw that their son killed himself and the stories seem similar. After Plath killed herself when the son was one, Hughes was hounded by feminists (so says the article). Maybe loosely based on...
What I really liked about Irving's creation of the fictional Ellen James Society is that it is a two-pronged criticism; first, obviously, is a withering indictment of radical 2nd-wave feminism, but then also a pointing finger at the reactionary critics of feminism.
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