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Majority of Fulci movies are boring


Today I talked with an horror expert about the work of Lucio Fulci. In his opinion, Fulci was the 'Godfather of Gore', because most of his so-called 'masterpieces' had been banned in several countries. I decidedly refused his opinion.

A good example of Fulci's boring and stupid 'horror' is 'The New York Ripper' where an moron with the voice of Donald Duck goes on a killing spree because some beautiful women came across him and didn't behave the way he wanted. While in other horror movies (even modern ones like 'The Fly' by David Cronenberg)the suspense runs up sucessively, in 'Lo squartatore' Fulci's misogynistic stance is lived out immediately after the killer runs into the women, and gets furious about them.Fulci obviously, and erroneously, mixes violence with suspense, thereby trying to shock the audience. And, i guess, movies made in the early 80's (when the violent 'nasties' period began) broke a lot of taboes by simply playing to the gallery. But it was not the quality of those movies that made them famous, but the poor expectations of the audience that were craving for cheaps shocks.

That's the case with Fulci's oeuvre: delivering cheap shocks seems to be his paramount interest, leaving logic and suspense aside. That's the case in 'New York Ripper','House by the cemetary', and culminated in the utterly funny movie 'A cat in the brain' in which Fulci's making sport of his own 'violent' movie career.

On the whole: Fulci's oeuvre delivers cheap shocks and gore galore, but repeated violence and torture may be breaking taboes. But they do no reveberate, like 'The Sixth Sense or The Ring (Japanse version) were Horror is created not by a simply repetition of murder and mayhem, but by a creaping and growing feeling of insecurity and disorientation.

Fulci lacks a sense of reality the audience can identify with. To create that sense of reality, he needs a setting that is not as far-fetched as the mayority of his slashers.

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Wow.. The Sixth Sense and the Ringu over New York Ripper?
Because a movie that makes people die is so much more realistic than a killer stalking the streets of New York.

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(Yeah, I brought up an old post.. someone should've said it already)

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i dunno dude,
while i dont really think new york ripper is fulci's best flick, i do think its a solid gore movie. i dont think ive ever really included suspense and "creeping insecurity" in my criteria for judging gore movies. gore is gore. ugliness and pain centerstage.

i hear what your saying tho with the "delivering cheap shocks seems to be his paramount interest" comment. i find that some italian horror directors seem to have this kind of creative "tunnel vision"
dario argento for example seems to care more about creating atmospheres and dream like moods than stringing together cohesive plots. ditto lamberto bava.

i think zombie is my favorite fulci movie because its the most straight ahead as far as plot is concearned, has a great score, and delivers some solid, well-placed gore scenes.

contrastly, i cant stand city of the living dead. i think thats a perfet example of fulci leading the audience around in circles with not much of payoff at the end.

i didnt really come on this board with the intention of defending lucio fulci, i just wanted express the fact that i dont think his movies can be compared to the ones you sited. gore is a funny genre. i think at its core, it has the most in common with pornography.
turning a human into a mess in a really creative way is all im after when it comes to it.
a good plot is a bonus.

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"Wow.. The Sixth Sense and the Ringu over New York Ripper?
Because a movie that makes people die is so much more realistic than a killer stalking the streets of New York."

Hahaha, that is soooooooo true! As for The New York Ripper, this movie is incredible [ And probably my Fulci fave until i see Don't Torture A Duckling ] when viewed as what it is: Euro-trash Cinema. In fact, i think this film touches on a lot of relevant issues. The sex and violence here are one perverse concept, and i think that's amazing. Whether or not he intended to, i think Fulci created a sickening and very *VALID* reflection of the human condition with The New York Ripper. A linear story, 'hip' dialogue [ Yuck!!! ] and 'cool' violence are simply not part of the aesthetic, and thank God.

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Just finished watching this one. As I've seen a couple of Fulci's films (City Of The Living Dead & Don't Torture A Duckling) I made my opinion upon him. He's throwing pretty shots & some nice music into the mix, apart from gore that wants to be real-like. As for New York Reaper, he fails to create suspence like if he doesn't really want it at all. Like if he just wants something in there apart from violence, but doesn't know how to do it. That's probably where lots of visual ideas borrowed from Cruising by Bill Friedkin come in handy (like electronic chess, old cop & autopsy guy, even the same gay magazines). On the other hand, in Don't Torture A Duckling he has minimum of violence & maximum suspence. It was as interesting, as it was amusing (the journalist in that film, who starts appearing from somewhere in the middle, shares strong resemblance with a comedian who's quite famous around here ))

I don't think Fulci lacks the sence of reality, I just think he doesn't care weather the not-main-character breathes or if he gets slashed. We don't get to know them well enough to care for the waste.

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I did'nt really mind the lack of suspense, I see TNYR as a straighforward cop thriller. Mike Hammer with gore. If you walk into this flick expecting Hitchcock you may be dissapointed. Great movie.

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Kloetenoppa,

I fail to see your argument. You refuse the opinion that Fulci is the "Godfather of Gore" based on the fact that you find his movies without logic or suspense. "Gore" has nothing to do with logic, OBVIOUSLY. You yourself said that "Fulci's oeuvre delivers cheap shocks and gore galore." Okay, if his gore is inventive and confronts people's notions of what is acceptable so much so that he is banned in several countries, there is no reason stated why the "Godfather of Gore" is not an appropriate title for Fulci.

Also, as has been previously stated, it was a mistake to mention "reality" and Fulci's settings being "far-fetched" just after comparing the film to "The Sixth Sense" and "Ringu." What you meant was that you felt that the audience could not identify with the CHARACTERS. Fulci obviously disregards logic and suspense, as you said, so why would you fault him for the lack of it? He did not intend for it to be there. Fulci is only concerned with IMAGES and how the audience reacts to them. The plot's only use is to put the images in a context so that the viewer will understand them, which is why the plots are usually minimal.

Fulci's films should be viewed as exploiation rather than horror. Horror movies intend to scare, while exploitation films intend to shock. While I've heard of a few people being scared by "House By The Cemetery," the vast majority of viewers watch his films to be shocked or entertained. His films can also be viewed intelligently when keeping in mind Freudian psychoanalysis, Lovecraftian lore, and the Italian social climate of the time.

Edit: Oh, I just noticed that the original poster has not been active for over 2 years. I guess he won't ever see his argument so severely raped.

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you can't compare a movie from the 80's from a movie from the 2000's. thats like taking a PSP against an Nintendo... it just wouldn't work. he was not named king of gore for no reason. sure when the girl from the ring walks up the well its creepy, but you can't say a woman getting a broken bottle driven up her vagina isnt nasty as well... i mean CGI wasn't invited back then so i say that he did an exellent job with the special effects you can't even compare!

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I think Fulci is nothing but a sick sadist who does in the movies what he can't do in real world. If he wasn't a director he would be a famous woman slasher. This film is nothing but boring filth.

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the lack of sense of reality. That´s what i love of italian horror. Those movies are like nightmares.

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in regards to the original poster, i too was frightened by the sixth sense and the ring (japanese version), but i am also frightened by fulci. they are so different, comparing them is like comparing bicycles and ice cream. you can't do it. personally, though, i don't like new york ripper because of the out of place score and the over the top sadism. that


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nipple cutting scene was absolutely revolting.

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I don't know if it was just me but I found this movie to be pretty suspenseful, I mean really had you thinking who could be the killer, and one point I thought it could of been that doctor guy, and some of the scene's with the killer after the women are suspenseful.

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You guys should see "Contraband" by Fulci. It's a crime-action movie that's so over the top sometimes it's amazing. I can't believe that anyone who considers themselves horror fans don't like Fulci.

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Contraband!!! The 'shot to the neck' scene is one of the most thoroughly gruesome, professionally executed death scenes *EVER*!!! Contraband is crazy!

"Cain and Abel will go to Heaven... if they can make it through Hell!" -Los Hijos Del Topo

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to original poster:
and WHO es exactly is this horror expert you were talking to.


random Fulci fan:
"personally, though, i don't like new york ripper because of the out of place score and the over the top sadism"

soo...you must not be a Fulci fan then?


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The OP is entitled to his opinions but is worrying when he uses to of the most overated horror movies for comparison .Sixth "can't hear anyone feckin speak and not scary Shining rip off" Sense and The feckin "wow wee didn't expect to see the girl come out of tv" Ring

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The OP makes no sense...he doesn't agree with Fulci being the "godfather of gore" and then compares his work unfavorably with very un-gory movies. You disagreed with the "horror expert" about Fulci being the gore grandaddy then you say "Fulci delivers cheap shocks and gore galore"...so we can deduce that obviously you don't really disagree with him about his opinion on Fulci, you just simply don't find his movies scary. Find a valid way to state what you intend, sir.

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