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What did they give to the drill instructor at the end?



Sorry if this has been asked already, but when they graduated and said their thanks and goodbyes what exactly were they giving to their instructor. The new officers aproached one by one and handed a coin? a pin? what was that? What did the man take and put in his pockets?


"No one should write a book God wouldn't want to read."

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A silver dollar.

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And the reasoning behind that?




"No one should write a book God wouldn't want to read."

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it's a Navy tradition for the new officer to give a silver dollar to the first person that salutes them...

this scene between Richard Gere and Louis Gossett, Jr., even though it's only a few seconds, is probably my favorite scene in cinema.

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An officer just after a few weeks? Too easy.

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The benefits of a college education.

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That's how it works. Some of the guys who do ROTC for four years actually get less military training than OCS guys get in 12 weeks.

Anyway, the real challenge comes the first minute you step aboard your first command.

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Uh, I came through NROTC and that is pure BS. The NROTC midshipman get the equivalent training as the Academy (, including sustained training for 4-6 weeks during each summer. OCS training centers more on discipline and physical training and classroom work, though AOCS is far more technical than regular OCS (The real hard stuff comes in flight school, though). NROTC and Academy training focus more on overall professional training, while OCS if far more condensed and has far fewer opportunities for practical hands-on training. Regular Navy OCS officers earn reserve commisions and serve on active duty for two years, then revert to the reserves (unless they petition to remain on active duty and their request is granted). NROTC midshipman earn a regular Navy commission (4 or 6 years, depending on degree and warfare specialty
). In both cases, their real training begins when the go to their warfare specialty school: flight training, nuclear power, surface warfare, BUDS (SEAL training) or other (Supply, Medical, or Judge Avocate Corps).

Here was my training life. During the school year, we attended Navy classes, in addition to the required classes for our major. Our classes included Navy history and tradition, basic engineering and weapon systems, navigation and leadership. We also had to take classes in physics and calculus, as well as business administration. Every week, we had a drill period of two hours. These periods were filled with close order drill, inspections, lectures on a variety of topics, physical training and the semi-annual physical fitness test (annual in the regular military, every semester for us). Marine Options had additional training in professional skills, including map reading, infantry tactics, and other areas. By the time I was graduating, the unit had acquired several sail boats and basic seamanship on a sailing vessel was required. Then, during the summer, we went for training for 4-6 weeks. Each year focused on a different segment of naval life.

Between our freshman and sophomore years, we lived the enlisted life. We lived in enlisted birthing and did everything they did. We were paired up with a running mate and we did whatever they did. I was on a tanker and helped man the refuling rig crews, as well as stood watch on the bridge (at sea) and quarterdeck (in port). I spent time in the engineering spaces, doing preventative maintenance and taking equipment readings. I spent time in CIC watching radars and learning to plot the ships track, as well as potential hazards from other vessels on geography.

The following summer, we went through CORTRAMID (Career ORinetation TRAining for MIDshipman). We spent 4 weeks in San Diego or Norfolk, each week focusing on a different career path in the Navy. The first week was surface, then submarine, aviation, and finally, Marine Week. At each stage, we went out on vessels or aircraft and learned about their missions. We went through simulators and did exercises. We learned about damage control in trainers (plugging leaks while waist deep in water). During Marine Week, we were run everywhere, fired weapons or watched them being fired (everything from an M-16 to a tank, plus air strikes). We went through obstacle courses and combat simulators. We went out on patrols and rapelled down the side of a tower.

The final year, we went out to the fleet and lived the officer life (Marines went to Marine OCS, prior to their senior year. Otherwise, their training was the same as Navy options). We learned about the paperwork they did (meaning we spent our time catching up their paperwork), stood their watches with them (as officer of the deck and navigator, rather than helmsman or lookout, as on our first cruise). We were given the Conn during man-overboard drills. We ate in the wardroom and learned about officer relations and propper ettiquette in relation to official functions (especially with very senior officers).

All of this was on top of earning our degree and maintaining a grade point average well above the requirements of the university. On top of this, I held a job to help cover expenses not met by my scholarship, like room and board. We were better multi-taskers than Academy midshipmen, as they were in a more structured environment. However, they had more regular access to training equipment and a better budget. We supplemented ours by selling concessions at football games (this paid for curricular activities, beyond training).

Most of the Navy OCS candidates hadn't even been on board a vessel before commisioning. They got pushed through a fast course, which concentrated on the basics. We got more depth. However, our training was desinged with a career in mind (though less so than the Academy), while OCS was designed to train reserve officers. At least, during the time period of this film (which coincides with the beginning of my training). My career (1984-88 midshipman, 88-92 active duty) was also a bit unique, in that I received both a regular commission and went into the Supply Corps (my degree is in economics). Supply is usually limited to OCS, but, at that time, it was severely undermanned and the program was opened to midshipman from NROTC and the Academy (usually, only Academy grads who are female or males who were injured and can't meet all of the requirements of line duty could enter restriced line specialties, like Supply). Instead of going directly to a ship, I went through another 6 months of training at the Navy Supply Corps School, in Atthens, GA (of all places). When I reported to my first ship, I had had more direct professional training than all of my peers. They mostly learned on the job. Supply Corps officers are the business managers for the Navy. We handle the pay and provide basic banking services, feed the crew, handle personal services (laundry and barbershop) and take care of acquiring repair parts and consumable supplies (light bulbs, tp, etc...). Given naval operations, this is a more intricate operation than in the Army or Air Force, where these are collateral duties for an officer, who has enlisted specialists running things. We have to co-ordinate replentishments while underway (delivered by helicopter or slung across between ships), as well as co-ordinate pier services in foreign ports (including securing fresh food, fuel , and wast disposal).

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I know I'm responding to this a year after your writing it, but I just saw the movie for the second time and I believe I saw it 20+ years ago the first time.

grendelkhan - you wrote out a very articulate detailed account of what it was like back then which since I never served was quite informative, especially the NROTC aspects. A couple questions I had.

You served 4 years active duty, were you required to serve more as a reservist before fulfilling your commitment?

Did your career outside the Navy meet your expectations or would you have preferred to make the Navy your career?

Lastly, in the movie they talked up the 6 year commitment for a AOCS, was that true of OCS as well and what was the commitment for an enlisted man then and today with or without the NROTC?

Anyone who knows can jump in, I was just curious. I wish I thought through this option more when I went to college.

Thanks.

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AOCS doesn't exist anymore. The Navy has OCS and other officer training programs all located at one location these days.

Enlisted commitments and officer commitments are similar in that the total commitment is 8 years. But upon completing whatever active and active reserve requirements are set forth in the initial contract, the remainder of this 8 year commitment can be served in what's known as the inactive reserve. There are no reporting or training requirements while on inactive reserve, but you can be called back to active duty during that time.

Can't answer the other questions, wasn't in the Navy or an officer.




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Way late, but here it is to make the thread complete:

We did not incur additional reserve time after resigning our commissions. Our ROTC training was considered Reserve Duty and we carried a reservist rank that fell between Warrant Officer and Chief Warrant Officer, mostly for pay purposes (though, theoretically, we could have ended up in administrative command of a warship, though operational command would fall to the senior surface warfare-qualified enlisted man).

I did not enjoy the military environment, which is why I resigned my commission at the end of my committment. I can't speak for the other sefvices, but the Navy was very political and a lot of the interactions and social protocol tended to eat at my craw. I also was disgusted with the way the Navy handled the USS Iowa gun turret explosion (slandering an innocent sailor and ignoring the unsafe conditions of the equipment and gunpowder) and the Tailhook Incident (where Naval Aviators held a convention where sexual harassment was carried out on a massive scale). I also found myself at odds, politically, with many of the missions we were tasked to carry out. Rather than continue to serve in that environment, with little say in my life, I chose to leave. I was much happier as a civilian, as my father was when he left the Air Force. He had turned down opportunities for a commission and, though he loved being around and working on aircraft, he wanted to be a teacher far more than he wanted to be near planes. His love affair with planes continued, but he spent 37 years as a science teacher, which held greater satisfaction. I run a bookstore, which is far more pleasurable, though I would prefer not having to answer to Wall Street's greedy demands.

A standard naval enlistment was 4 years, 6 in the nuclear program. For NROTC, our committment was based on the length of time it took to get our degree and our specialty afterwards. Most of us obtained our degrees in 4 years or less, though some engineering majors ended up taking 4 1/2 to 5 years to get theirs. The Nuclear Program required a 6 year committment, since you would spend a year training (6 months Nuke School, 6 months practical training at Prototype) before being assigned to a ship. You also had to go through an interview to be accepted into the program. At that time, the interview was with Adm. Rickover, godfather of the Nuclear Navy, who was beyond nuts! Pilots also had a 6 year committment, as did SEAL candidates (though they had to pass the qualifying test to get into BUDS, Basic Underwater Demolition/Seal training). Surface Warfare was generally 4 years. For OCS, they served 2 years active duty, then transitioned into reserve duty for a set number of years (I think another 4, but I really don't know). However, they could petition to remain on active duty; and, if successful, could continue to serve in that capacity. The Academy and NROTC graduates received USN commissions, while OCS were classed USNR. So, and academy or NROTC grad becomes John Doe, Ensign, United States Navy (USN); while an OCS grad is John Q Public, Ensign, United States Naval Reserves (USNR). They have the same rank, but have a different classification.

I went into the NROTC program to pay for college and because I was overly enamored of the military. My time in service cured me of that, after seeing the underside of things. I served with many good, professional people; but I also saw a lot of institutionalized behavior that would apall the average civilian. In the post-9/11 world, I tend to bristle when I hear servicemembers blanketly called "heroes". To me, they are professionals doing a difficult job. We didn't see ourselves as heroes. A hero was someone who did something extraordinary, often at the cost of their own life. The uniform didn't make us heroes, our actions did.

"Fortunately, Ah keep mah feathers numbered for just such an emergency!"

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It is not just a Navy tradition; it's a tradition in all branches. I was commissioned a 2Lt in the Army in 1981 and gave a sliver dollar to the first NCO who saluted me.

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It's a kind of military custom that a new Ensign, at that point in his/her newly-minted career, has yet to have done anything to *earn* a salute, and must therefore *buy* it. While the graduates are depicted as returning the salute rendered by GySgt Foley, a new officer can return the salute of any Enlisted person mutually agreed-upon. (many choose a parent who may be Retired or even still Active Duty, etc.)

"Why must you needlessly complicate EVERYTHING?" --Gordon Shumway

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Not sure I would agree with the "buy a salute." However, the rest is basically right, in that we got to designate who was there to deliver our first salute. One of my classmates chose her brother, who was an enlisted sailor. My brother had reently enlisted, but hadn't yet gone to boot camp, so I chose one of the chiefs from my NROTC unit. Most of the Marine Options chose the Assistant Marine Officer Instructor (a Marine Staff Sergeant). For OCS, it is quite common to choose your drill instructor.

"Fortunately, Ah keep mah feathers numbered for just such an emergency!"

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Yeah, I've never heard the "buy a salute" thing, either.

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ENSIGN, not "Enson"!!!

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I believe they were folded-up dollar bills, not silver dollars.

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No, the tradition is a silver dollar and that is what is shown in the film. The writer had been through the program and was very authentic in the details and director Taylor Hackford stuck by his script, to the point of refusing US Navy demands for script changes, in exchange for access to NAS Pensacola. That is why the film was done in Washington, at a National Guard facility.

Fortunately, Ah keep mah feathers numbered for just such an emergency!

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Must be a Navy thing, then. In the Army, it was a dollar bill.

-- former EM/NCO/1LT

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(Army) Enlisted,

After Basic, we give the Drill SGT the Middle Finger,..behind his/her back of course:):)

Just kidding.

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