Mr. Talmann: The gardens of England are becoming veritable jungles, such exotics are grossly unsuitable. If the Garden of Eden was planned for England, God would have seen to it.
Mr. Neville: The Garden of Eden, Mr. Talman, was originally intended for Ireland. For it was there, after all, that St. Patrick eradicated the snake.
Mr. Talmann: The only useful eradication that ever happened in Ireland, Mr. Neville, was peformed by William of Orange four years ago on my birthday!
Mr. Neville: And happy birthday to you, Mr. Talman. And if you are not too old to receive presents, perhaps the gardener and I can find a snake for your Orangerie!
I don't think I'm the best person to explain this, but I'll do my best. This is complicated, and taps into one of the fundamental themes of the film.
The political situation in Britain at the time was not stable. A few years prior to the events of the film, the Catholic James II of England was deposed in the so-called "Glorious Revolution" by the Protestant William III (aka William of Orange)supported by various Protestant nobles in Britain. This process was not as bloodless as supporters of William liked to claim. A series of battles and struggles carried on for several years, but the turning point was in Ireland, at the Battle of the Boyne, in 1690, which marked the beginning of the end for the Jacobite (Catholic supporters of James) cause. This was followed the following year by the Battle of Aughrim, in which the Jacobite forces were all but wiped out. This is the eradication Talman refers to*.
Throughout the film, it's hinted that Neville is secretly a Catholic and a Jacobite. His suggestion of putting a snake in the orangerie means putting one into the House of Orange, and by extension King William. It is, in guarded terms, a statement of his desire to kill the King. And he's putting his life in his hands saying it, although he correctly judges that Talman is too thick to figure out what he actually means. Nevertheless, Talman and the others may at least have supicions about Neville's alleigances by the end of the film.
Hope this helps. Sorry if you knew any of this already, I don't want to seem patronising, but it's easier to explain from the start. It might be interesting to go through the film sometime picking out all the examples of Protestant/Catholic tension.
*Although the fighting didn't really come to an end until the defeat of Bonnie Prince Charlie at Culloden many years later, and the aftermath has an effect on the troubles in Ireland to this day - with the protestant faction still known as Orangemen.
Ha! It's a knock at Mr.Talmann's lack of sexual prowess! Mr. Neville's busting on him for not being able to impregnate his wife (fruit, orangery--round oranges/orangery = parts of male genitalia and themes of fertility, garden of Eden, etc...). That's why Mr. Talmann gives Neville the "look of death" immediately after that arrogant cad utters those words :). "Too old to recieve presents" wasn't just meant to be a snicker at the time past since Mr.Talmann's birthday four years before and if he'd be gauche enough to still accept gifts for it. Bringing up the Irish, which aristocratic English of the late 1600's were always mocking for their fecundity (notice: Mrs. Talmann earlier knocked Catholicism for assigning rules to sexuality by bringing up the tale of St. Patrick, sneakily allowing the audience insight into who's really gaining control through strategic manipulation) was another hint toward what Neville was implying.
In one wise-assed sweep, Mr. Neville both expressed his social opinions about class and politics, while also mocking Mr. Talmann's impotence---implying that Mr. Talmann could sniff at Mr. Neville's "shoddy" heritage and lineage all he liked, but at least his own reproductive "tools"--and likely those of the low-class, hired help--weren't "rusty".
I've read through the above comments. I'm at a disadvantage presently, not having seen the movie on dvd. It should arrive in a day or two. This period of English history has always interested me and the events around the arrival of Protestant William of Orange made for quite fundamental changes in both England and Ireland.
I'm fascinated by commentators' comments: what Freudians you are! But to address the original question in its simplest terms, it is a reference to The Serpent who tempted Adam to eat the Forbidden Fruit at Eve's behest, thus leading to his downfall and exclusion from the Garden of Eden.* Biblical subjects, such as The Fall of Man, assumed greater importance then, but today are given little consideration.
However, when I have seen the movie, I will be in a better position to comment.
Would anyone care for an apple?
* Here's an afterthought for all you Freudians and American readers out there - perhaps an example of lateral thinking? Remember the CROSBY STILLS & NASH song? The lyrics go something like:
"Well, I came upon a Child of God.........We are stardust.....And we've got to get ourselves back to the Garden, &c."
Good song from yesteryear, but who cares! Shades of Woodstock...........
Oh, if only "The Draughtsman's Contract" themes were as subliminal in nature as any psychoses Freud peddled :). To be fair, the characters' individual motives and intentions are less obvious. Once Mrs. Herbert and Mr. Neville--that cocky buck--dually signed a contract laying out the obligations of each in their service arrangement, it was hilariously clear that any sexual overtones would be sung in a high key of "E". Part of the charm of "The Draughtsman's Contract" is how lightly the sexual encounters are treated (and even scenes of violence; albeit, far stranger because they are so); there's nothing serious and "hush, hush" in their tone, as it would be in most other costume films.
Although talk of serpents, snakes and gardens often references Adam and Eve, I think this particular knock had more to do with fertile wives and impotent husbands than "Eden-like" innocence and seduction. In context of that particular scene and conversation (despite Mrs. Talmann's hidden intentions, those not revealed until the end of the film) it would've been out of place; Mrs. Talmann was actually protective of her husband and wouldn't appreciate his being insulted by Mr. Neville, even if there was truth in Mr. Neville's jabs. Mr. Talmann says something about uncouth wild things of little civility, how the English were far too civilized for exotic, untamed land (a comment that could be interpreted as aristocratic, elitist snobbery--whether Mr. Talmann intended to be interpreted that way, or not. Basically "Don't look now, your snobbitry is showing!"); Mr. Neville was saying something about how, despite England's opinion that they--of civilized being--were sent to tame the wilds of Ireland, the "commoners" (Mr. Neville's "unfortunate" ancestry included in this group) were still able to impregnate their wives with no problem, unlike some of the fancy, aristocratic English fellows who thought themselves so powerful. So, the problem can be solved: the gardener can humor Mr. Talmann by pretending to be "tamed" while infantilizing him (Too old for presents? Can't make a baby with the Mrs.?) and still being more capable (by Mr. Neville's opinion) of knocking-up Mrs. Talmann.
Mrs. Talmann's comment was intended as something shot back at Mr. Neville in order to hush his wised-a** arrogance :). Anyhow, Mr. Neville would've always been of the opinion that he could do "it" better--drafting, lovemaking, everything--than anyone else. While amusing to watch, it's understandable that a group of men not used to having their power mocked would grow to dislike--no, despise--him so much.
...and when you think of how humiliationg the Talmann's situation was, considering the era and their class level ("You have everything--all you have to do is get her pregnant!") the infuriated look of disgust Mr. Talmann gives Mr. Neville as a reaction to the comment, fits perfectly. Mr. Neville was sexy-cocky, arrogant and unwilling to submit to class conventions; a combination that easily made enemies for him.
I have shown a friend Mr Tetrabean’s most recent comments. He is a very forthright Scotsman with strong views. His comment as best I can remember it went something like this:-
“ A dinna ken whit the laddie is bletherin’ aboot. Diz yous gadgies ken whit he is sayin’? A ken the Queen’s English as weil as ony man, an’ he maks nae sense tae me. It’s a richt scunner!”
He also picked up on Tetrabeans’s spelling of “humilationg” but my North British friend can be a very severe critic.
However, I feel that all must be forgiven as he loves Crosby Stills & Nash’s music which belongs to a younger, more innocent age.........
"Humiliating" was misspelled? But, but--that's impossible! Yes, that was quite a bit of blathering, there, on my part. It's possible that writing was actually intended as a means of communication between human beings but, ach---who cares! I've amused myself and used a public forum to do it in. Now, if I could benefit financially from it and improve my possiblity for romantic encounters in the process, slap a lovely suit on me and call me a politician.
But I'm both a wee bairn lassie and an American, so there are at least two camps of folks who will lower their expectations to suit (ha! ;D).
...and I've even misspelled "possibility" in THAT post. The fall from grace has now moved into a downhill roll and I'm left with snarks and jeers to comfort me as I go. Really passionate and vital Scottish jeers, at that. The inhumanity of it all ;).
I have reproached my Scottish friend for his severity. He looked thoughtful for a moment and then uttered these kindly words:-
"Dinna greet ma wee manny!"
So there we have it. All's Well that Ends Well. No hard feelings, I hope.
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An update: My copy of THE DRAUGHTSMAN'S CONTRACT dvd arrived in the post this morning, so I shall be able to see for myself if there are any yellow cars and other distractions in the background. Au revoire et bon chance!
I agree with both the political and sexual connotations of the conversation, the latter supported later by Mrs Talmann's withering comments on her husband's lack of prowess.
There is also the fact that a snake has been introduced into the Talmann line by Neville making the wife pregnant and polluting the bloodliine.