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Rutger, Vangelis and the set production...


I really do like this movie a lot. For me, it's the presence of the beautiful, exquisitely masculine Sir Rutger Hauer, the incredibly moving score from Vangelis and the wild, surrealistic set design. I'm not attached to the movie in a cultish way (though there are many, many movies that I am obsessed with, so I'm definitely not judging here), and the whole replicant thing is not something that gets my attention, but for the 3 aforementioned reasons, I like "Blade Runner" a lot. And the final confrontation is a huge rush.

Anybody else like these aspects of the movie?

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One could easily argue that the whole replicant thing is what gives this movie meaning. You know, things like 'What makes us human?' ...

Other than that, I do agree that the three things you've mentioned are quite vital too.


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I think I see what you mean. Rutger's final monologue "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time..." has a strange, powerful beauty to it, and of course it's almost overwhelmingly sad. Batty seems so much more alive than the Deckard character (making the intensely radiant R.H. and the wooden H.F. seem like ideal casting choices), and it is a real shame that Batty (who is a replicant), who appears to have a vast appreciation for life, should have to die. I don't know if this is what you meant or not, but it was the most moving and meaningful part of the movie for me.

I guess what I meant was that I don't relate to the passion that some posters have for BR in regards to whether or not the character of Deckard is a replicant. When I read all the posts about replicant this and replicant that, I can't help but think about the game Dungeons and Dragons and how I had friends in junior high school who loved that game and played it all the time. Likeable, funny, passionate, super smart nerds.


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The "passion" that comes in regarding Deckard is the controversial changes that were made with Ridley Scott's "Director's Cut" and "Final Cut". While most of these changes were good, others were not so good. After these changes were made, the film was re-released in theaters. During this time Ridley Scott himself came out and made the statement during a press release saying that Blade Runner now indicates that Deckard (with these changes) is also a replicant.

No doubt such a powerful statement may stir the fans of this film to fork over the money and see Blade Runner again - if anything just to see what the heck Ridley Scott was talking about. The beauty of the original theatrical cut is there is a hint of some ambiguity to whether or not Deckard is a replicant, yet the overriding consensus was that he is human. The dynamics of the plot work much better this way.

With the changes made (by increasing the likelihood of Deckard being a replicant), it now gives way to other funky ideas shown in the film... like the motivations of Roy suddenly saving Deckard near the end of the film. Him choosing to save Deckard was a shocking surprise (with the assumption Deckard was his "enemy"). But NOW... the audience can speculate things like: "Well... he must have saved him because he didn't want his own replicant race to die". Deckard being a replicant also removes the brilliant psychological layer of him being human passing judgment against replicants (and killing them) when he, himself, lives an empty soulless life. Or, the human fallling in love with a replicant. Etc... I can go on & on. The movie just works SO MUCH BETTER with Deckard being a human and not a replicant. The story just isn't as fascinating with a replicant killing off other replicants (or a replicant falling in love with a replicant, or being saved, etc.).

That's why there was so much PASSION in this argument. Many people are FOR the notion of him being a replicant - but I think they feel that way mostly because it makes Blade Runner a different movie than what they've seen before (and they are fascinated by this difference). There are other supportive shots like Deckard's eyes glowing in one shot - but to me that's why him being a human was so neat... an artistic shot giving him (as a human) that same "glow" that replicants have. Other interesting bits of evidence like how Deckard seems to collect photographs - which is something that replicants also tend to do. I don't hold too much value in that theory because people, as a whole, DO value photographs. I think the point of showing it that way was two fold: 1) It gives Deckard a layer of subtle "creepiness" with the seemingly random photos. But 2) Showing how replicants ALSO value the memories seen in photographs should indicate their EMOTIONAL connection to things isn't different from what real humans experience.

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I'm very positive about the things in title of this thread

Rutger's performance pulls off one of the most dramatic character arc shifts I've seen in a well made film.
He starts out seeming to be a brutal thug and in the end he is a sympathetic and heroic symbol for human rights.

I've always loved the Vangelis score. It has power and wonder. But in tender moments it can also be romantic.

As for the set production; this and "Alien" established Ridley Scott as one of the greatest science fiction film makers.
He has the eye / taste to create intriguing worlds.

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I've always loved the Vangelis score. It has power and wonder.
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Yes, especially moving during Rutger's "tears in rain" monologue. 


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"Yes, especially moving during Rutger's "tears in rain" monologue."

One of the most moving speeches in a science fiction film.

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