When Bryant is explaining the 4 year lifespan to Deckard, I'm assuming this is only exclusive to the Nexus 6 models? Also there doesn't appear to be a timeline in place for it but are we meant to assume Deckard has been out of the game for a long time(years?) since he didn't know anything about those models.
If those replicants were offworld working, it seems like there'd be a lot of time passing between them going out and working, escaping and then making their way back to earth. So why was he forced out of retirement exactly? Was he really just that good in his time?
"When Bryant is explaining the 4 year lifespan to Deckard, I'm assuming this is only exclusive to the Nexus 6 models?"
The viewer does not know the lifespan of the earlier models or when the Tyrell Corp. switched from building mechanical robots to biological / engineered clones. - What I understood about the 4 year life span was that the Nexus 6 had more sophisticated emotions and could learn deeper emotions. That made them harder to detect and so the limited lifespan. It's implied that if the Nexus 6 was allowed to live to an average human life, they would eventually be impossible to detect with an emotional response test.
"Also there doesn't appear to be a timeline in place for it but are we meant to assume Deckard has been out of the game for a long time(years?) since he didn't know anything about those models."
That's my assumption. He had quit and was forced back to be a blade runner. Because of that he did not know about the Nexus 6 or an even more advanced replicant like Rachel.
"If those replicants were offworld working, it seems like there'd be a lot of time passing between them going out and working, escaping and then making their way back to earth."
Yes. It took some time for Roy and his group to hijack a shuttle and get to earth. And the police tried to prepare for the replicants on earth but that didn't work.
"So why was he forced out of retirement exactly? Was he really just that good in his time?"
Yes. In the beginning of the movie, another blade runner, Holden, is questioning Leon. Leon shot Holden who then had to be in a hospital for treatment. Bryant tells Deckard that they have a bad problem and only Deckard was good enough to fix it.
Ok thanks that clears a lot up. I had another quick question if that's okay. In the opening credits they called the Nexus 6 models a "combat unit" or something like that. did they just mean they worked for the military? Because it seemed like they had very different jobs. If that's the case were we meant to assume that at some point they just kind of befriended one another, and developed a plan to escape?
And yeah I always forget Holden survives actually, he got blasted twice!!
"In the opening credits they called the Nexus 6 models a "combat unit" or something like that. did they just mean they worked for the military? Because it seemed like they had very different jobs."
The replicants do have different jobs. Bryant explains some of them when looking at the replicant's files with Deckard.
Nexus 6. Roy Batty. Incept date 2016. Combat model. Optimum self-sufficiency. Probably the leader. This is Zhora. She's trained for an off-world kick-murder squad. Talk about beauty and the beast, she's both. The fourth skin job is Pris. A basic pleasure model. The standard item for military clubs in the outer colonies.
It's not clear what model Leon is. There is a connection between replicants and the military but what would a "kick-murder squad" mean? Could criminals also use replicants? And Leon looks like he would be better suited to doing maintenance jobs.
"If that's the case were we meant to assume that at some point they just kind of befriended one another, and developed a plan to escape?"
Roy has a relationship with Pris. He is also friends with Leon and has at least a friendship attachment with Zhora. I'm uncertain how exactly they met. But the viewer knows that this group works as a team. As Bryant also says;
There was an escape from the off-world colonies two weeks ago. Six replicants, three male, three female. They slaughtered twenty-three people and jumped a shuttle.
One was killed trying to get into Tyrell Corp. and another died off screen with no explanation.
"And yeah I always forget Holden survives actually, he got blasted twice!!"
Yes, Holden was in the hospital and Bryant was in big trouble. He needed Deckard's help.
Ok thanks a lot. it's interesting that the movie itself starts after such a major event off world, we're just kind of picking up where the replicants are in their story half way through. what a film, and great discussion on here.
"it's interesting that the movie itself starts after such a major event off world, we're just kind of picking up where the replicants are in their story half way through"
True. Part of the mystery is; who are these replicants? And not from Bryant's POV but how they actually lived. We can only imagine how they were mistreated. My imagination creates many types of horrors that they had to endure. Living a life like animals, canon fodder in war or given lethal jobs with toxic waste disposal, being disposable killers or brutalized in some sick sex trade. What we do know from Roy's words is that they were slaves.
And even though Deckard is hunting them down he has one redeeming act, to save one of them, Rachel.
BRYANT: "Three nights ago they tried to break into Tyrell Corporation. Two of them got fried running through an electrical field. We lost the others."
That may have been corrected in the final cut, but the printed script says:
"Bryant: There was an escape from the off-world colonies two weeks ago. Six replicants, three male, three female. They slaughtered twenty-three people and jumped a shuttle. An aerial patrol spotted the ship off the coast. No crew, no sight of them. Three nights ago they tried to break into Tyrell Corporation. One of them got fried running through an electrical field. We lost the others. On the possibility they might try to infiltrate his employees, I had Holden go over and run Voight-Kampff tests on the new workers. Looks like he got himself one."
Yes, of course. I'm surprised there's not a Final Cut version I can find on the Internet. I've been too busy of late to watch the FC version again, I'll take your word for it.
The FC corrected a LOT of errors that persisted from the TC and even the DC.
I think you misunderstand me; I'm insisting nothing. I'm just working with what I have at hand.
I understand the change from the TC was due to them dropping the 6th replicant from the script due to the expenses of hiring another actor/actress to play the extra replicant. Evidently, they had already shot Byrant's dialogue.
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But you're insisting, no the original script says only one, so I am still holding Scott and crew accountable for that writing error. They don't get to correct it, I have convinced myself that error is still canonical fact.
It wasn't a writing error. In the original script there was a fifth replicant (Mary),that had to be cut out of the movie, because of budget restraints.
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When Bryant is explaining the 4 year lifespan to Deckard
Think about this little detail: The closest star to our solar system, is 4.2 light years away. This makes it virtually impossible for Roy Batty to have time to experience "attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion". The closest star to Earth, in the Orion constellation, is Belatrix, 243 light years away.
Lets assume teleportation or wormholes. A 4 year life span would still render a replicant virtually useless. You still have to train them to do certain tasks, still have to process them from space port to space port, move them from ships to barracks or whatever. The sheer bureaucracy of human society - Bryant and his office look nothing like a super-speedy futuristic society - makes it unlikely that a 4 year life span replicant would get to do anything of any use for the corporation.
Also, Bryant says that Roy Batty took a shuttle back to Earth, we have to assume that teleportation or wormholes are trivial in the Blade Runner future, where you can steal a shuttle and poof! land it on Earth without anyone noticing it. Just take the shuttle, steer it into the wormhole, and park it off the coast, no biggie. Yet one can easily observe that flight technology in Los Angeles is under strict control of the police, there are only a handful of flying vehicles, all civilians -even Deckard- go on foot, bike, metro, land vehicles.
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A 4 year life span would still render a replicant virtually useless. You still have to train them to do certain tasks, still have to process them from space port to space port, move them from ships to barracks or whatever.
Gee, in the ARMY in 1967 we had 8 weeks Basic Training, 8 weeks of AIT then got shipped off to war for a year. 2 years for draftees, 3 years for voluntary enlisted.
58,315 of us (from all US services) didn't get our four-year life span.
Four months of training to do our jobs, and twenty to thirty-two (or more, if you reenlisted) to execute our training.
With FTL transportation, a 4-year lifespan could be adequate.
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Not to mention, since this fictional world establishes they have the technology to implant memories, any particular reason they couldn't implant skills knowledge also?
I'm certain they must have, since each replicant had a specified designation.
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