Why did the humans create replicant's so they cannot be told apart? - Blade Runner (1982) Discussion

[–] CremersAlex 8 years ago

Because the ultimate goal of robotics, cloning, A.I, and what have you not, is to create a fully-fledged human and not a monster. New replicants like Rachael and Deckard (sorry if this is a spoiler for you) are capable to fully integrate into our society. More human than human is the motto.

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[–] RynoII 8 years ago

But why didn't the people at Tyrell think this was a bad idea? I mean they said that the goal was to create manual labor workers. What's the reason for a fully-fledged human unless you want them for espionage work?

For example, I work in a factory, and I have a machine that makes parts that we sell. The machine is just a machine. There is no reason to make this machine into a fully fledged human, cause the machine's purpose is to work, and make the product, and that's it.

You said that the purpose is to create a fully fledged human and not a monster. But why does a machine have to be a monster, if it is not a human? The machine I work with at work, is not a 'monster'. It's just a machine that helps with the job, that we made to do so.

Why do the replicants have to be considered 'monsters', if they do not pass as a full human. Since when did machines get such sensitive labeling, in the future?

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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

by RynoII;

"Basically the replicants are suppose to be slaves and low level workers, working for the humans, doing mostly manual labor type jobs it seems, right?"

They can also be sex workers.
Pris is a pleasure model.

"why did the humans create them so they needed to be asked questions in order to tell them apart? It seems to me that the only reason to make a replicant to look just like a human on the inside as well as the outside, is if you are sending the replicant to do a spy mission, where you needed to fool an enemy."

Take sex workers alone.
In our world today there is illegal sex worker slavery.
Replicants allow legal sex worker slavery; male and female.
For efficiency why not use the same manufacturing for all replicants?

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[–] RynoII 8 years ago

Even if they wanted to make the replicants look human to be sex workers, they could still give them internal characteristics to tell them apart, rather than having to ask them a long series of questions to tell them apart.

The questions do not make sense, when they can just give them a bar code, or a number, or internal artificial organs to tell them apart.

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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

by RynoII;

'Even if they wanted to make the replicants look human to be sex workers,"

The replicants are human. Just an altered human with a short life span and at first limited emotions.

"...they could still give them internal characteristics to tell them apart, rather than having to ask them a long series of questions to tell them apart."
"or internal artificial organs to tell them apart."

The replicants do have different internal characteristics according to the novel, it is just that these are not easy to test.
For instance in the novel Rick Deckard demanded that a bone marrow test be taken on a potential replicant (android) but that is an elaborate procedure. And the subject refused.
- We can guess that with our tech a DNA test or an MRI scan could probably pick out the subtle changes between a replicant and a naturally born human.
But those are very hard for police officers to do in the field during an investigation.
So, the police use the Voigt-Kampff test instead which is quick, can be done in any location and can be done by a person with the skill of a police officer.

"They can just give them a bar code, or a number"

I'm sure in this fictional world companies tried number tattoos but the sex worker customers probably preferred a replicant who looked completely human.
Sex workers without number tattoos become more popular and that's what the companies produce.
- The customer does not want something which society says is a robot or a machine. They want the real thing. And the companies give them the real thing.

The fact is that illegal sex slavery including involving murder exists in our world.
- The replicant industry allows all that legally. The replicant externally looks 100% like a naturally born human. The customer likes that.
This replicant can then be brutally tortured and killed all for a price.
- That's the thrill for the customer. The replicant looks exactly like a human but can be treated like a piece of garbage while the customer gets off on that.

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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

to SMF; So, here we are. I left the "2001" Board when someone had IMDb delete several of my posts and my thread on that Board.

"The film establishes that microscopic-identification exists in this film fiction universe. It took the old Asian lady just a couple minutes to identify a micro-identification out "in the field."

The snake had a microscopic marker on its scale which the Asian woman could see with an electron microscope.
So, she did not do an internal scan. She was just looking at scales.

It seems the replicants have no such surface markers on the skin whether large or small whether in the book or the film.
As a result there is the need for the VK device which is in the novel and the movie.
- Is that a flaw in Dick's novel? I don't' think so because his story is often a commentary about capitalism.
The manufacturers don't want to put something like a microscopic marker on the skin of androids (replicants).

The film has the dialogue from Tyrell; "more human than human".
And look at Tyrell's relationship with the police.
Tyrell was screwing with Deckard by having him test Rachel, who supposedly was a naturally born human.
Then later as a whim Tyrell ordered the police to kill Rachel when she "escaped" from his lab and he couldn't bother to get her.
Tyrell clearly has the upper hand in his relationship with the cops.
Why should he bother (spending the $) putting ID markers on replicants if he doesn't have to?

"And that microsopic-identification on a pleasure model would never be seen to "ruin the customer's mood."

True. I was just addressing the large bar code idea which could easily be identified by regular eye sight.
Lugging around an electron microscope would be as cumbersome as the VK device.
But you are right that it could make identification easier.
Still I think my explanation that the manufacturers did not want to make it easier for the police works.

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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

by SMF;

"I just think the OP was suggesting they could easily place a microsopic indentification anywhere including discreet areas of the skin"

RynoII (the OP) suggested different replicant internal organs. I responded to that idea.
- The microscopic identification idea comes from you and I've answered why Tyrell would not feel the need to do it on replicants.

There is nothing in the novel or the film which shows that the police control what the android corporation/Tyrell does.
The opposite is shown.
This is the piece that you are missing imo.

Tyrell could do a lot of things in the story that he chooses not to do.
Why? Because of his character. Look at how he lives (in his giant pyramid) and behaves compared with other people in the film in terms of power and wealth. The film is sending a message that he is some kind of futuristic ruler with pretensions of power like some Pharaoh.

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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

SFM;

"No...you reasoning that it was because of Tyrell's "odd character and behavior" just doesn't float."

I've explained the film. If you don't want to accept the explanations, then that's up to you.

FYI; all the replicants have files which include photos (as shown in Bryant's office) and maybe also based on fingerprints, iris scans and voice prints.
So, the film explains there are records for every replicant.

But there are no special biological serial numbers on the replicants.
This is true in PK Dick's novel and in the film.

All I have done is explain why Tyrell could get away with that.

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[–] Hollastar 8 years ago

Great points. they had photo ID and profiles on all the replicants, how the hell does one apply for and actually get the job at Tyrell, with the same name?! There shouldn't have been any need for questioning in that situation especially assuming Holden saw the same thing Deckard did and there's no reason to assume he didn't.

And there's ZERO reason to put Holden in that room alone with him knowing how dangerous he was.

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[–] CremersAlex 8 years ago

Rather than looking for a specific replicant, it looks more like Holden was merely doing a routine job. It was only after this incident that the news broke out that the renegades took their refuge on Earth.

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[–] criztu 8 years ago

they had photo ID and profiles on all the replicants, how the hell does one apply for and actually get the job at Tyrell, with the same name?! There shouldn't have been any need for questioning in that situation especially assuming Holden saw the same thing Deckard did and there's no reason to assume he didn't.

And there's ZERO reason to put Holden in that room alone with him knowing how dangerous he was.

Watch the movie again, with the following key:

Tyrell pyramid is the Off-world.
Holden is testing Leon to see if he developed the "strange obsession" that Eldon Tyrell speaks about.
After Leon killed Holden, he and the other replicants, descend to earth, becoming illegal.
the streets of Los Angeles is earth.
Replicants are illegal on earth, as in "ground, soil, land surface". Not the planet Earth.
Rachael was locked in the Tyrell pyramid. When she set foot on earth, on the streets of Los Angeles, she became illegal.

Leon and his replicants figure that the solution to their problem is to ascend back into the pyramid, and force their maker, the god of biomechanics, Tyrell himself, to give them more life, father.

Bryant lies to Deckard, about Holden's job, about Leon and the other 3 replicants killing the passengers of a shuttle and trying to get into the Tyrell pyramid as employees.
The video Bryant is showing to Deckard, with Holden interviewing Leon, is different than what we see in the beginning of the movie. The recording of the interview by Holden has been altered.
Deckard is baffled -why do they risk coming back to earth for? What do they want out of the Tyrell Corporation?

The replicants who managed to get out of the pyramid - the Off-world, would also leave the Los Angeles city as soon as possible. That is why Deckard is puzzled that these 4 replicants are not only staying in Los Angeles, but they're trying to get back into the Tyrell pyramid.

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[–] criztu 8 years ago

So the replicants were "not trying to get into the Tyrell corp" according to your fan fiction. And yet we watch those same replicants trying to get in Tyrell Corp using Sebastian.

Pay attention to what you're reading. I said: Bryant is lying to Deckard about the replicants trying to get into the Tyrell pyramid as employees.

The replicants do try to get back into the pyramid, but not as employees.

Btw, there was more than 4 replicants who killed the 23 passengers of a shuttle.

That is what Bryant tells Deckard, which we can't verify.

We can verify however, that the part of the Holden-Leon interview that Bryant shows to Deckard, has been altered:
in the Bryant version, Holden asks Leon "-So you look down and you see a tortoise; it's crawling towards you."
but what we see Holden asking Leon, is "-So you look down and you see a tortoise, Leon; it's crawling towards you."

Thus, we have the certainty that Bryant is giving Deckard information that has been altered.

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[–] criztu 8 years ago

So......you believe they did try to run through the electrical field? When they realize that idea was bad, they didn't think well let's try to infiltrate as employees?

Leon is working inside the Tyrell pyramid.
Holden tests him for the "strange obsession" - which is wanting to be free. Leon shoots him.
Leon, Roy, Pris and Zhora, escape the Tyrell pyramid.

Bryant is telling Deckard about 6 replicants - we can't verify his claims.
Bryant is showing Deckard an altered recording of Holden asking Leon about a tortoise - we can verify that the record has been altered, therefore, we can question everything Bryant tells Deckard, as false.

Roy and Leon learn from Chew at the Eye World shop, that Tyrell has the answers to their quest for more life, and that Sebastian has access to Tyrell.
Roy then sends Pris to Sebastian, to get access to Tyrell.

If Bryant was telling the truth - that Roy and Leon tried to get into the Tyrell pyramid, then the conversation with Chew at Eye World is redundant, since they should have already known that the answers to their quest for more life are held by Tyrell, since they were already trying to get into the Tyrell pyramid (as claimed by Bryant).

You know criztu, what your little pea brain fails to grasp [...]
Btw.....I forget....what city does Blade Runner take place in, criztu?

what you're doing here, is flaming, which makes it very unpleasant for me to keep replying to you.
if you want us to keep having a conversation, please, don't flame me.

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[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

Leon, Roy, Pris and Zhora, escape the Tyrell pyramid.

Oh, they escape? And then try to get in again via Sebastian?
Are you delusional?

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[–] criztu 8 years ago

Oh, they escape? And then try to get in again via Sebastian?

Watch the movie, again, and pay attention to the story:
First we see Leon interviewed by Holden. That is a test to determine if Leon "developed a strange obsession". That is not a test to see if Leon is a replicant. Holden already knows Leon is a replicant.
Bryant shows Deckard a dossier with pictures, inception dates, all details about Leon et comp. There would've been no need for Holden to test Leon to see if he's replicant, since they already have all his data. They created him! or so they claim...

Ok? So we first see Leon inside the pyramid, shooting Holden, and later we see him on the streets of Los Angeles.
To assume that Leon made it inside the Tyrell pyramid -not even making the effort to change the name by which his creators know him- brought a gun with him, shot Holden, then made it out of the pyramid, is absurd - if Holden was profiling Leon as a security measure, then how was Leon able to do all those things, with no opposition?
If you ever been through a security check, you know that they don't send 1 dude to talk to you, so you can just shoot him and leave...

So, Leon being on the run, killing the crew of a shuttle, landing off coast, coming to L.A., infiltrating the Tyrell pyramid as an employee, bringing a gun with him, shooting a police dude who was part of a security apparatus, then getting out of the pyramid, with nobody recognizing him or trying to get him until Deckard shows up, requires a huge effort of suspending one's disbelief.

On the other hand, it's easy to observe that:
Bryant shows Deckard an altered recording of Holden-Leon interview
Deckard is baffled that these replicants want to get inside the Tyrell pyramid.
Roy, Leon, decide to get into the Tyrell pyramid, only after they interrogate Chew, at Eye World.
Flying vehicles are extremely rare, all are police.
Deckard first thinks that replicants are machines, but ends up falling in love with a replicant.
The snake is fake, the owl is fake.

Conclusion: Bryant is lying to Deckard. The future society in which Deckard lives, is pervaded by falsity and lies.

Are you delusional?

Please, try to not flame me, this is only a movie forum, for us to exchange opinions.

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[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

critzu says:

Leon, Roy, Pris and Zhora, escape the Tyrell pyramid.

Leon got in as a prospective employee. Holden was called in to test him. Pris never got inside. Roy didn't get in until he found Sebastian to bring him in to see Tyrell.

Leon escaped after killing Holden (we don't know how), and Roy escaped because he had Sebastian's access point. Pris was never there in the first place.

First we see Leon interviewed by Holden. That is a test to determine if Leon "developed a strange obsession". That is not a test to see if Leon is a replicant. Holden already knows Leon is a replicant.
Bryant shows Deckard a dossier with pictures, inception dates, all details about Leon et comp. There would've been no need for Holden to test Leon to see if he's replicant, since they already have all his data.

This is an assumption you make. Bryant doesn't even have the information until after Holden is shot. Holden was sent to Tyrell Corp to test new applicants, of which Leon was one.

"Bryant: There was an escape from the off-world colonies two weeks ago. Six replicants, three male, three female. They slaughtered twenty-three people and jumped a shuttle. An aerial patrol spotted the ship off the coast. No crew, no sight of them. Three nights ago they tried to break into Tyrell Corporation. One of them got fried running through an electrical field. We lost the others. On the possibility they might try to infiltrate his employees, I had Holden go over and run Voight-Kampff tests on the new workers. Looks like he got himself one."

"Deckard: I don't work here anymore. Give it to Holden, he's good.
Bryant: I did. He can breathe okay as long as nobody unplugs him. He's not good enough, not good as you. I need you, Deck. This is a bad one, the worst yet. I need the old Blade Runner, I need your magic."

You are spreading a lot of misinformation. Just my exchange of opinion.

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[–] criztu 8 years ago

Leon got in as a prospective employee. Holden was called in to test him.

Those are only claims made by Bryant. None of his claims are backed by what we see:
Bryant claims there were 6 replicants and 2 died, trying to break into the Tyrell pyramid.
We're never shown the replicants trying to break into the pyramid, and the alleged 2 dead replicants.
Bryant claims the replicants slaughtered 23 people, jumped a shuttle, and landed off coast.
We're never shown any replicants killing any 23 people, jumping any shuttle, or landing it off coast.
Bryant claims the replicants tried to infiltrate the Tyrell pyramid as employees.
We're never shown any replicant infiltrating the pyramid. We only see Leon talking to Holden. Leon doesn't even assume a fake name, Holden calls him by his file name.
On the contrary, we see Roy and Leon deciding to get into the Tyrell pyramid, only after they talk to Chew at Eye World.

Since Tyrell corp. supposedly created Leon, they already know he's a replicant.
Bryant shows Deckard an extensive file on all the replicants, not just Leon's. How does Bryant know who the other 3 replicants were?
If all 4 replicants were identified after Holden ran tests on them, it means all 4 got into the pyramid, and out of the pyramid, with no difficulty. What, is the Tyrell pyramid a mall, or what?
They sent just one dude - Holden, to profile them, even though they allegedly killed 23 people? That's absurd.

Bryant doesn't even have the information until after Holden is shot. Holden was sent to Tyrell Corp to test new applicants, of which Leon was one.

We're not shown when does Bryant get the information about Roy, Leon, Pris and Zhora.
We're only shown Bryant claiming that he sent Holden to run tests on the new workers.

You are spreading a lot of misinformation.

Bryant is misinforming Deckard. The video he shows to him, is altered - Leon's name has been removed from the brief recording we see Bryant showing to Deckard.

The entire movie hints massively on the big lie that is the replicant industry - the replicants are not machines, as Deckard believed in the beginning of the movie, they are humans, and Deckard falls in love with one.

The corporation (Tyrell) and the police (Bryant) are straight up liars.

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[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

Yea edison, why were you not paying attention to the story when you watched the movie?

Gee, what is it kids say nowadays? Oh yeah. "My bad."

Must have been distracted by the exotic scenery, the dreamy Vangelis music, and of course Rachel. 😋

😂

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[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

The replicants do try to get back into the pyramid, but not as employees.

Oh really? Have you ever watched the film? Or read the script?

"Intercom: Next subject, Kowalski, Leon, engineer, waste disposal, file section, new employees, six days."

http://www.trussel.com/bladerun.htm

Try it, you'll like it. 😏 .

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[–] criztu 8 years ago

Oh really? Have you ever watched the film? Or read the script?

"Next subject, Kowalski, Leon, engineer, waste disposal, file section, new employees, six days."

Look what Bryant says: Three nights ago they tried to break into Tyrell Corporation. [...] On the possibility they might try to infiltrate as employees, I had Holden go over and run Voight-Kampff tests on the new workers.

How can Leon be working in the pyramid for 6 days, if he tried to break into it 3 nights ago?

let's see more inconsistencies:
Bryant shows Deckard a file where Leon is Combat, Loader, mental level C
Leon is working in the pyramid as Engineer, waste disposal, file section

How could the corporation hire a replicant designed and trained for ammunition loading, as an engineer in the file section?

Bryant shows Deckard a file where Roy Batty's inception date is 8 January 2016
Roy Batty dies on November 2019

How can Roy Batty die 2 months before the expiration date - 8 January 2020?

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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

by SFM;

"And I wouldn't need a serial number. If I want to check to see if new potential employee LEON KOWALSKI is safe to hire, I look him up in the replicant database using the key words......

wait for it......

LEON KOWALSKI."

Such a database does not seem to be regularly available to the police on earth.
- The film's dialogue indicates that replicants are not supposed to be a concern for the people on earth or the police because in theory at least, replicants never land on earth.

Here's a sample which hints at this;

Bryant: They jumped a shuttle off world -- killed the crew and passengers. They found the shuttle drifting off the coast two weeks ago so we know they're around.
Deckard: Embarrassing.
Bryant: No sir. Not embarrassing, 'cause no one's ever going to find out they're down here. 'Cause you're going to spot them, and you're going to air them out.

http://www.trussel.com/bladerun.htm

The earth police are put into an awkward position.
They cannot admit that replicants would ever be on earth. So, why would the earth police have records of them?
As a result when the replicants at first landed on earth in the movie, Holden was going in blind when he did his interrogation of Leon.
- Unfortunately only after Holden was shot, were the replicant records released to the earth's police.

Imo at least, BB ;-)

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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

by SMF

"You mean besides the canonical fact we see it on film the earth police do have records on replicants?"

Canonical facts?
Here's one. The first scene in the film is of Holden questioning Leon.
That means that this interview happened before Bryant was showing the records to Deckard.

Here's another one; When Bryant tells Deckard about the Holden/Leon interview he says this;

Bryant: ...On the possibility they might try to infiltrate his employees, I had Holden go over and run Voight-Kampff tests on the new workers. Looks like he got himself one.

Why would Bryant have Holden do an interview of new employees if at that time Bryant had the replicant records?
Answer; He didn't have the replicant records yet when he sent Holden to do the interviews.

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to SMF/Andrei;

"you're filling in with your fan fiction"

No. I was quoting from the film and then discussing the plain meaning of that quote in the context of the movie.
I'll repeat.

Bryant: ...On the possibility they might try to infiltrate his employees, I had Holden go over and run Voight-Kampff tests on the new workers. Looks like he got himself one.

1. Bryant does not have Holden compare the new workers with the replicant records.
Simple logical conclusion; at that time Bryant and Holden did not have the replicant records.
2. Bryant has Holden do interviews of new employees because they didn't yet have the replicant records.

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[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

Good catch BB.
You are now on my 'Most wanted' list.

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to SMF/Andrei;
I also may list flaws of movies that I defend. And I figure that you admired "Blade Runner" for the way your website described it.
- But with this thing in "Blade Runner" about how the government and the giant Tyrell corp. interact, I step back and look at the dystopia as a whole.
Dystopian movies like "Brazil", "1984" or "Blade Runner" are guided by a special madness within the story.
That is not specifically commented on in "Blade Runner" but it is made more clear in other dystopias.

- In the past I was more critical of the way the flow of information was limited in BR.
Then I would have been more sympathetic to your claim of;

"Ridiculous premise."

But I've changed. Maybe it has to do with knowing about weird oddities in our world where the eventual 9/11 killers were suspects known by the FBI. But because of arcane bureaucracy, agencies did not talk to each other and a huge disaster happened.

And BR is not in a rational place as the US is supposed to be (or was supposed to be).
Dystopias have many bizarre setups with intelligence gathering.
- In BR we are expected to accept that the off world replicant records are not kept on earth.

Flaw? For you certainly.
But I'll just agree to disagree.

Imo at least, BB ;-)

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[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

More human than human.
Tyrell sounds like a nazi.

RynoII (the OP) suggested different replicant internal organs. I responded to that idea.
- The microscopic identification idea comes from you and I've answered why Tyrell would not feel the need to do it on replicants.

Cost-benefit analysis. Tyrell is slightly above the law.

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[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

So....you're envisioning a two second burning of a microscopic ID marker on the replicant is an extremely expensive process?

Well, we don't know it's that easy. And where would you 'burn' the identifier? On the scales?

Plus, Tyrell having to forfeit buying another share of Prosser and Ankovich might deplete his enormous wealth. He's going to minimize costs. 🤑

Animals are ID'd because they are made by common genetic engineers, ("Abdul ben Hassan. He make this snake."), while Tyrell is 'above the law' so to speak. And replicants aren't allowed on earth. (Though this must have happened before, otherwise why Blade Runners? Why Deckard having had (V.O., "a belly full of killing").

Sure, they could be chipped (like we do with cats and dogs now), but I don't think they had that technology when the film was made. My cat in 1982 was not chipped.

Actually, you make a good point; they must have the technology to identify a replicant other than name records, but why they don't choose to use it makes the story more complex and interesting.

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[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

But actually no need for a microscopic ID.

Exactly.

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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

by edisonnosidE;

"Cost-benefit analysis. Tyrell is slightly above the law."

LOL!
Obviously.
Tyrell can do whatever he wants to do. He runs the system.

The book also has portions which describe the tremendous power of the corporations.

"Tyrell sounds like a nazi."

I never understood why Hitler killed all those Jews. But just because I don't think something is logical doesn't mean it can't exist.
The issue is about raw power.
The person with tremendous power can do all kinds of things which don't make sense.

Imo at least, BB ;-)

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[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

"Cost-benefit analysis. Tyrell is slightly above the law."

LOL!
Obviously.
Tyrell can do whatever he wants to do. He runs the system.

Eventually, you will grow to love my sarcasm. 😏

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[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

I'm sure in this fictional world companies tried number tattoos but the sex worker customers probably preferred a replicant who looked completely human.
Sex workers without number tattoos become more popular and that's what the companies produce.

They could use decorative tattoos. Humans had tattoos. Zhora had a tattoo.

In the show 'The Mentalist,' members of a criminal organization had obscure identifying tattoos.

Impossible is illogical.
Lack of evidence is not proof.
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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

to edison; There is a TV series called "Dark Matter". It's just OK imo.
One thing about it is that androids in the show are supposed to have large barcode tattoos on their neck.
Not attractive.

Imo at least, BB ;-)

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[–] LetThemEatCake01 8 years ago

true, the premise is nonsensical.

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[–] calmeilles 8 years ago

I can think of two reasons that would work in the story:

1) Hubris on Tyrell's part.

2) If working with the human genome it's got to be easier not to change things than to change them.

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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

by calmeilles;

"2) If working with the human genome it's got to be easier not to change things than to change them."

Yes, the company doesn't change what it does not have to. That saves money.

BB ;-)

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[–] edwardrevans 8 years ago

Lets just take Pris for example, she is a pleasure model, so in a way you'd want her to look human.

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[–] BB-15 8 years ago

by edwardrevans

"Lets just take Pris for example, she is a pleasure model, so in a way you'd want her to look human."

This. I imagine in the BR universe that there would be various female and male pleasure models. To help sell them it turned out that customers wanted replicants which looked completely naturally born human.
- Then to save money with production and increase profits, companies made every replicant look completely naturally born human.

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[–] fjk1138-731-161881 8 years ago

Keep in mind that we the audience know other replicants exist in the storyline/background but the only ones we actually see are Nexus 6 models, which are supposed to be elite. There is no reason to believe, like any other product, lower/inferior levels of replicants are used depending on the given situation or environment. As stated above certain situations would call for ones to appear and act as human as possible, just not allowed on earth.

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[–] gakieliszewski 8 years ago

Because there wouldn't have been much of a plot to the movie if they didn't appear to be human.

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[–] CremersAlex 8 years ago

Because there wouldn't have been much of a plot to the movie if they didn't appear to be human.

But ... that is part of the plot ... they are human. That's the whole reason why the Scott suggests that Deckard is a replicant too. If Rachael is virtually indistinguishable from the real thing (emotionally she's the most human character in the movie), then anyone can be a replicant.

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[–] Hollastar 8 years ago

good discussion. bottom line though is there's really no reason why they couldn't simply mark the replicants in some way, even the most minuscule one to be able to tell them apart. By the way they were used, and how intricate the process is just to figure out if they're a clone or not, it doesn't seem very hard at all for them to run away and blend themselves into society.

short of the voight-kampff, are we suppose to believe they relied purely on the replicant acknowledging themselves as non-human to identify them, by word only? that's a terrible system i will admit.

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[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

One of these days I'm going to cut you into little pieces.

Reminds me of the Murray Kaufman (Murray the K) show on WINS radio in New York in the 60s. 📻

"One of these days, somebody/something's gonna jump out the bushes and grab you, grab you!"

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