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Bryant says 3 guys 3 girls

posted 8 years ago by kornwars
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There was an escape from the off-world colonies two weeks ago, six replicants three male three female. One of them got fried running through an electric field while they were trying to break into the Tyrell corporation, they lost the others.

So if one was fried where the other five not four, he only has deckard going out for four. another male or female out there right? If there were three guys and three girls and only one got fried there's still one more out there am I crazy?

Am I wrong can someone explain this to me, thanks for any info.

[–] criztu 8 years ago

yeah, Bryant is lying to Deckard. He's a spin doctor.

Observe how in the recording he shows Deckard, of the interview between Holden and Leon, the bit where Holden calls Leon by his name, has been removed:

we see Holden asking Leon: You look down and you see a tortoise, Leon. It's crawling towards you.
the recording Bryant shows Deckard has: You look down and you see a tortoise. It's crawling towards you.

Think how was it possible for Leon Kowalski to get hired in the very corporation that manufactured him, not even changing his inception name!
Tyrell corp. has a video file about a robot they named Leon Kowalski, and a dude with the same name and same face as their robot, comes asking them for a job.

Also observe how Leon and Roy go to EyeWorld and interrogate Chew, who tells them that the answers to their questions are held by Tyrell, and so they go to Sebastian, to get access to Tyrell.

But Bryant tells Deckard that 6 replicants tried to break into the Tyrell building.

So, if Roy and Leon learn only much later, from Chew, that they have to go into the Tyrell building for answers, why did they try to break into the Tyrell building, in the first place?

Note also that when Holden interviews Leon, Leon was inside the Tyrell building for 6 days.
But Bryant says that the replicants tried to break into the pyramid, 3 nights ago. So he sent Bryant to interview the new employees.

Which means that Leon was inside the pyramid for couple of days, then he tried to break in!!!, then ran away, then came back to work, brought a gun with him, killed a police dude, and ran away again!!!, like the Tyrell pyramid was a 7/11 in Cleveland or something.

[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

So, if Roy learned only much later, from Chew, that he has to go into the Tyrell building for answers, why did he try to break into the Tyrell building, in the first place?

You missed the important part, criztu, they got the information from Chew that Sebastian could get them in. This after their attempt to infiltrate (Leon) and break in a few days later.

"Roy: Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes. Questions.
Chew: I don't know answers.
Roy: Who does?
Chew: Tyrell. He -- He knows everything.
Roy: Tyrell corporation?
Chew: He's big boss. Big genius. He, he design your mind, your brain.
Roy: Ah, smart.
Chew: Cold.
Roy: Not an easy man to see--
Chew: Me cold.
Roy: I guess...
Chew: Se-, Sebastian he take-- take you there, he take you there.
Roy: Sebastian who?
Chew: J. -- J. F. Sebastian-- Sebas... Sebas...
Roy: Now--where... would we find this.... J. F. Sebastian?"

Afterward, Pris seeks out Sebastian. And does a convincing job of tricking him to get inside.
BTW, what meaning in your theology, does Sebastian have?

Impossible is illogical.
Lack of evidence is not proof.
 +  = 

[–] criztu 8 years ago

Roy and Leon learn from Chew that the answers are in the Tyrell building!

Didn't they already know that, since they allegedly tried to break into the Tyrell building, a couple nights before visiting Chew?

Leon was working inside the Tyrell building for 6 days, before he kills Holden.

Don't you think he got enough time -6 days- to learn who has the answers? Making the visit to Chew's Eye World, redundant?

Conclusion is, Bryant is foreshadowing about the future, not informing about the past.
This foreshadowing thingie is repeated in the Deckard-Rachael interview in Tyrell's office, when he tells her "bush outside your window... orange body, green legs", only to see him telling her the same thing, later, in his apartment, as proof that she's a machine, since she has "implanted memories"...

BTW, what meaning in your theology, does Sebastian have?

I donno, his name means Venerable one, from Sebastos - ancient, venerable, augustus. worthy of being revered.

[–] edisonnosidE 8 years ago

Roy and Leon learn from Chew that the answers are in the Tyrell building!

Didn't they already know that, since they allegedly tried to break into the Tyrell building, a couple nights before visiting Chew?

Didn't you read the post to which you were replying?

"Chew: Tyrell. He -- He knows everything.
Roy: Tyrell corporation?
Chew: He's big boss. Big genius. He, he design your mind, your brain. "

NOT the Tyrell building, Tyrell himself!

Impossible is illogical.
Lack of evidence is not proof.
 +  = 

[–] criztu 8 years ago

And where does Tyrell live?!!! In the Tyrell corporation...

Think about it:
Why were the replicants trying to break into the Tyrell corporation, before talking to Chew at Eye World?
Let's say they searched for answers.
How did they figure that the answers are in the Tyrell corporation?

What did Leon do, for 6 days as new employee inside the Tyrell corporation? It took him and Roy only 2 minutes to learn from Chew that Tyrell has the answers. Don't you think that Leon had plenty of time - 6 days, to learn that Tyrell has the answers?

Think about it from another angle:
Roy interrogates Chew: -Now, questions.
Chew replies: -I don't have answers.
Roy asks: -Who does?
Chew replies: -Tyrell. He knows everything.
Roy is puzzled: -Tyrell corporation?

Why would Roy need the confirmation that Chew talks about Tyrell, from the Tyrell corporation?
Didn't he allegedly try to break into the Tyrell corporation, a couple of days before?

How dumb could Roy be, he who defeats Tyrell in a chess match, to not connect the dots:
1. Tyrell corporation is THE corporation that allegedly manufactures replicants.
2. Roy Batty allegedly tried to break into the Tyrell corporation
3. this Chew dude tells him Tyrell has the answers to his questions

gee, let's see, could this Tyrell guy who's got the answers to Roy's questions, have anything to do with the Tyrell corporation, the place Roy allegedly tried to break into, a couple nights ago?

Think from another angle, yet again:
Since Roy and Leon allegedly tried to break into the Tyrell corporation a few nights ago, what is the logic in them going to Eye World, and interrogate a random dude called Chew?

Didn't they already know that the answers are inside the Tyrell corporation, the place where Leon allegedly infiltrated as new employee, for 6 days?

Why go to Eye World, when you already know that the answers are inside the Tyrell corporation?

Oh, and how dumb Roy must've been, to not be able to infiltrate the Tyrell corporation, as Leon allegedly did? Or Zhora, who is an assassin!

The answer, my friend, is, that Roy and Leon, didn't try to break into the Tyrell corporation a couple nights ago. Bryant was lying. Leon and Roy broke out of the Tyrell corporation! The Tyrell corporation is the Off-World.

That is why Roy is puzzled to learn from Chew, that Tyrell from the Tyrell corporation, has the answers to his questions.

The answers to Roy's questions, lie inside the very place he ran away from! That's why he's surprised that Tyrell has his answers. Now he has to get back into the pyramid.

Tyrell was even a bit disappointed, when Roy finally met him: -I'm surprised you didn't come here sooner.

[–] jimmymack7 8 years ago

If there were three guys and three girls and only one got fried there's still one more out there am I crazy?

The other replicant was Mary, her part was cut by the director due to budget restraints.

"Lófaszt, nehogy már. Te vagy a Blade ... Blade Runner"

[–] kornwars 8 years ago

Thanks for the replies, I never knew that thanks a lot! I figured something fishy was going on with Bryant.