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MY REPLY TO THE HOOKER CRITICS


On other messageboards, and websites, I've seen critiscm of the show being unrealistic because Hooker & co are always involved in the action.

However, my reply would be as follows:

The show is set in a large city. Lets presume its LA, the second largest US city, in the world largest urban area. Many landmarks are from LA, signs, places, names etc. so lets not be annoying - lets just settle on an alternate-LA with LCPD as the police force.

In real life there are currently 12,000 staff in the LAPD. Of whom 9,000 are officers and 3,000 are civilians. However according to wikipedia.org there were only 7,000 officers during the under-staffed 1980s and 2,000 civilians.

So lets presume the LCPD is covering Los Angeles in the 1980s, and that there are 7,000 officers as in the 1980s.

Lets say that half of officers are involved in street patrol (i.e. the rest are detectives, in drug enforcement, administration, prisons etc.). This is probably a massive overestimation, but that leaves 3,500 street-patrol officers. The real-life LAPD is divided into 19 areas, and each area has a varying number of stations.

So 3,500 divided by 20 (remember some overall support staff) is 175. Then divide this again into the stations, which we will presume are precints. I've only got to Episode 14 so far - I'm new to Hooker! - but in 'Terror at the Academy' I know that the rebellious officer rifles through maps in a drawer called Precint Stations taking photos. The top map is 'River Precinct' the next is 'Park Precint' then he gets to 'Academy Precint' and there is another below which flashes by too fast to read. So even if we presume there are just 4 in the area, then our 175 officers become around 35 per precint.

So bearing in mind 3 shifs a day, we're talking no more than 16 officers - or 8 cars - on patrol in each precinct at one time, with less at others, before we've even considered all higher ranks like Sheridan, or desk staff like Stacey, or tow truck drivers, gatesmen etc. or holidays, injuries, etc. So realistically I'd say during daytime we're talking no more than 6 cars per precint on duty at a time.

Lets draw this to a conclusion then. If the Academy Precinct is the HQ station for the whole area, which has at least 4 precints, it will have at least 24 cars - likely more, for overlap/repair/training/emergencies etc.

What does this tell us? Well, a number of things. For a start, 4Adam30. We know the last number varies often - could the last number be the area car? And the first number, it varies once so far - is it the area? And Adam - could this be that its a black-and-white opposed to a detective car, tow truck etc.

Then flip this back up - the city of LA has a population of almost 12M in the direct urban area alone. With around 20 areas running a minimun of 4 precints of minimum 6 cars each, we're talking 400-500 black-and-whites on duty at a time. This is still 1 car and 2 officers per 24,000 people minimum, more during the day when people commute in for work, though there will be more officers on duty then presumably.

So to my mind, since the show is set during a "crime-wave" its not unrealistic to presume each officer team will have something major to deal with regularly. And each episode runs over between 3 and 6 days, so again 1 major thing a week is not unduly great.

Also, on the subject of the Academy - well with a total number of officers of 7,000 of all types and ranks, spread between ages of say 20 and 45, we're talking about 300 reaching compulsory retirement age every year. Add in at least that number again for early retirement/withdrawal, and say the same again for injuries, not up to job, crooked cop etc. and we're saying LCPD needs almost 1,000 new recruits every year to break even. Plus theres a crime wave so want MORE officers. Well, its made apparent that each stage of training takes about 3 months. So 4 sets of recruits graduate each year. And even if Police Academy is the only training establishment in the whole city, we see at least 200 recruits running at one time on the track. Since they will be more than 1 training group, and many recruits drop out, it would be realistic that there might be 400 recruits per 3 months, producing say 300 finished officers minimum? Well thats 1,200 a year. Voila!!

Oh and yeh - I do believe Hooker has THAT many friends who are always involved!!

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I apoligise now for mispelling 'Precinct' so many times during my previous post!!

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Now you have to apologize for mispelling apologize

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Now you have to apologize for mispelling apologize


That's how it's spelled in the UK.

Now apologise.

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You made a lot of pretty good suppositions.

Here's a website you might be interested in, to give you some background specifics about the LAPD... like the meaning behind their radio callsigns:

http://www.freqofnature.com/frequencies/ca/losangeles/lapd.htm

DeweyQ

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TJ Hooker is a silly show, but the mighty Bill is of course the man.

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I will admit it has some ridiculous moments but hey i got them all on dvd and i just can't stop loving them at the same time

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Years ago I said in a class that James Bond is a Superhero. Some jerk yelled he wasn't. A superhero or supervillain is a fictional character who does things unrealistic yet somehow survives the ordeal. T.J. Hooker and company are superheroes and the show is unrealistic. But that doesn't mean you can't love it. Watching the episode "Vengeance is Mine" with Leonard Nimoy has me concerned because I don't want some nut shooting me because I talked to his woman or daughter twice. That's the legitimate concern most people have when it comes to unrealistic television and movies.

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"TJ Hooker is a silly show, but the mighty Bill is of course the man."

Exactly. The writing is over the top and tailored to Bill Shatner's trademark style.

In today's PC world, I find Hooker's tough no-BS attitude refreshing. He knows a 'scumbag' when he sees one, and isn't afraid to say it.

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I know LAPD has never been staffed to the max, but I had no idea how low it was in the past. Hooker's beat in just one part of the show appeared to cover from Los Angeles Harbor to North Hollywood. This Hooker is one amazing cop.

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Well, considering that Hooker & co. are effectively acting as detectives -- indeed, kind of a major case or "metro" squad (which is arguably unrealistic for uniformed officers -- Indeed, they tend to go off on their own to the point that they almost seem like "rogue cops"), it's not so surprising that they would range over a wide area. On a related issue, it always seems unrealistic (and this seems to happen routinely on many cop shows, obviously for dramatic purposes) that when they discover that something is going down at a distant location, its always THEY who have to rush over and solve the problem, rarely than calling for officers in the vicinity to try to get there and tackle it. Hooker certainly is an amazing cop AND human being, but in the real world one does find "supercops" and other heroes, as well as highly competent and dedicated people in many fields. TV is never going to capture the actual reality, but it CAN serve as a metaphor for it.

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I have an even better response to the critics: Bite me!

It's a friggin TV show, not a documentary.

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As a retired cop, my take is:
Being involved in action, certainly. Thanks to under staffing, they would literally be running from call to call.

Being involved in follow-up detective work- rarely if ever- and then only to serve search/arrest warrants and transport prisoners.

Patrol officers cannot routinely have their calls held to a minimum- especially during under staffing as you noted. A watch commander could not justify patrol officers following up on a homicide case when something such as a prowler or other calls for immediate service came in.

Another gross inaccuracy on this show is that Academy personnel train, they do not patrol. As the OP noted, the volume of training for a large agency would require nearly constant academy classes.

It's a classic and still entertaining. Just like with Dragnet and later Adam-12, it's neat now to see the city as it was, to include the older (then new) cars. Those two were very realistic, whereas Hooker was minimally realistic.


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it's neat now to see the city as it was, to include the older (then new) cars.

I found several filming locations and submitted them to IMDb especially 1970s cop shows. Here's three which haven't changed much.

Safari Inn - 1911 W Olive Ave, Burbank
Hooker's hotel (originally submitted by someone else to this TV series, I added it to other episodes and TV series)
http://www.imdb.com/search/text?realm=title&field=locations&q=Safari+Inn

Blondie Street, Columbia/Warner Bros. Ranch - 411 North Hollywood Way, Burbank
house exteriors, some remodeling and painting
http://www.imdb.com/search/text?realm=title&field=locations&q=Blondie+Street%2C+Columbia%2FWarner+Bros.+Ranch+-+411+North+Hollywood+Way%2C+Burbank%2C+California%2C+USA


4206 Hood Ave, Burbank
Hooker's house
http://www.imdb.com/search/text?realm=title&field=locations&q=4206+Hood+Ave%2C+Burbank

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HAHAHA
I AM A COP IN LA AND THIS COMPLETE BS!

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Amazing the Capslock PD hasn't hired you. 

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awesome.

...always wondered what kind of a person uses all caps...now i know...it's cops. the world makes sense again.

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awesome.

...always wondered what kind of a person uses all caps...now i know...it's cops. the world makes sense again.

LOL

The thing is, all cops don't use all caps. A recent study found that 83% of Internet trolls do so though. True story. 

(a little How I Met Your Mother (2005) humor there)

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