".... The final episode of the first series was to have been a spoof chat show called "Back to Normal with Eddie Monsoon". However, it was never produced, as it was considered too vulgar even for the avowedly "alternative" Channel 4 (not to mention possibly libellous). The script.... was later published, along with the rest of the series, in book form.
The documentary Julien Temple directed about and starring members of The Comic Strip was drab, black, surreal and sexual in nature. This prevented it from being aired at the time and it may have prevented The Comic Strip from being allowed on television.
Spike Milligan particularly disliked The Comic Strip Presents and dismissed it as crude. He said, "Rik Mayall is putrid. Absolutely vile. He thinks nose-picking is funny and farting and all that. He is the a***hole of British comedy." Jim Bowen said "The Comic Strip was disgusting and anything 'alternative' is not funny....." __________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Milligan. It's richly ironic that one-time 'comic bolshevik' Milligan should've dismissed the then new breed as 'vile' and 'putrid' when, at that time, his last 'memorable contribution' to TV comedy was the 'Pakistani Daleks' (1975). To wit, the answer to the question, "Why is Milligan's comedy series 'Q' not available on DVD?" is:
"Because it was s h i t."
The lion and the calf shall lie down together, but the calf won't get much sleep.
Well, having read the script to "Back To Normal...", I would suggest that the real reason the episode wasn't made was because it was a crap script. To be honest, I never much liked the "Eddie Monsoon: A Life" episode all that much, either.
And going by Jim Bowen's logic, he must be the most "alternative" comedian of all time.
As for Spike, I'm surprised he didn't like the Comic Strip, I thought it would have been right up his alley. And I'm certain he has done nose-picking and farting gags in his time. Not to mention blacking up as a Pakistani Irishman in "Curry & Chips".
Although it's fairly common for the old guard to berate the new kids on the block, especially when their last ounce of talent was used up decades before.
Well, having read the script to "Back To Normal...", I would suggest that the real reason the episode wasn't made was because it was a crap script.
Touché.
It's fairly common for the old guard to berate the new kids on the block, especially when their last ounce of talent was used up decades before.
Too true. And this reminds me of the offence to The Two Ronnies that was supposedly caused by the Not The Nine O'Clock News sketch 'The Two Ninnies' ("Oh vagina! Oh vagina! Over Chinatown!"). I'd certainly place Ronnie Barker up there among my comedy heroes, if only for a certain masterpiece called Porridge, but to the extent that 'The Two Ninnies' sketch was cruel, the only reasonable response is: "tough!". Comedy is, as they say, a serious business and if you can't take it on the chin maybe your time is up... and so it was with The Two Ronnies. Ironically, 'crueller' than the sketch in question is the cruel twist of fate that saw Richard Curtis and Ben Elton (both of whom were, to a greater or lesser degree, responsible for Not The Nine O'Clock News, The Young Ones and Blackadder) go from being trailblazers for the 80s comedy revolution to dull, conservative ring-kissers of the worst order.
Your point about Jim Bowen being an "alternative" comedian recalls the now familiar defence of the late Bernard Manning, that he remained outside the mainstream and was therefore truly 'alternative'. Certainly, unlike so many other comics that the 80s rebels would ultimately revised their views on (Barker, Monkhouse, Howard etc.) Manning remained persona non grata to the very end.
Whatever, satire today is probably more conservative than it's ever been, because, as Niall Crowley argues, so few comedians have got the balls to take on the new taboos of our PC and authoritarian age:
Although I don't know if it's a case of comedians having lost their balls - maybe they just don't see the point in satire any more. Part of the problem, as I see it, is that our society has actually gone beyond satire. It's just impossible to take the piss, because so much in modern society simply defies belief! Satire is no longer effective as a critical tool because, as the article points out, it is just stating the bleedin' obvious.
Politicians have always been a pretty barefaced, duplicitous bunch, but I can't recall a period where they've been so shameless about it, not even towards the end of the Thatcher era, when Tory MPs were routinely caricatured as wannabe Alan B'Stards.
The satire boom of the 80s did help create a political culture where it was harder to "get away with it", but all this ultimately did was give us a defiantly hard-nosed breed of politician who doesn't really care if he gets away with it or not, so long as he makes a few bucks in the process. It's no coincidence that Don Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney both worked in the Nixon administration. It seems that that was just a dry run...
But it isn't just politics. Popular culture has also gone beyond the pale. The sort of TV and news programmes we get today are eerily similar to those Chris Morris was making some 10-12 years ago. It seems that somebody in TV realised that the most effective way to undermine satire is to actually make TV which confirms the worst fears of the satirists. Although with that said, with the current problems at the BBC and other broadcasters regarding honesty, the chickens might finally be coming home to roost. I won't hold my breath, though.
20 years ago, when Spitting Image was at its most brutal, the public actually took an interest in politics and current affairs - due in part to shows like Spitting Image, which was not only funny and entertaining, but also made the audience think. The ordinary Joe in the street at least knew who the main political players were, even if they didn't have an interest in politics. This isn't the case today. The public at large has become increasingly disengaged from politics which, as far as most politicans are concerned, is all well and dandy, as public apathy helps preserve the status quo and keeps the gravy train on the rails.
Meanwhile, we have sleepwalked into a new puritan age where our nannies in Westminster pass legislation to regulate our behaviour in every way. Because it's for our own good, naturally. Yes, these are the things that satirists should attacking, but frankly, in today's political climate, who is going to listen?
All we have now is Private Eye, which for years has been as smug and complacent as those it purports to mock.
Which, finally, brings me to that great bête noire of all self-proclaimed "defenders" of "free speech", not least of all St Bernard of Manning, political correctness.
This may be a somewhat unfashionable view (I am, after all, a Grauniad reader), but I think that PC and comedy go hand in hand. Look at it this way: comedy is full of rabid, extremely funny, blatantly non-PC characters: Alf Garnett, Rigsby, Basil Fawlty, Homer Simpson, Victor Meldrew, Edina Monsoon, Alan Partridge, David Brent, Vicky Pollard... and so it goes on.
That these characters hold opinions that are anachronistic, shallow, narrow-minded and even downright offensive is precisely what makes them funny. They are affronts to the civilised world. They are clearly out of touch and way, way out of their depth. So we laugh at them. We laugh at their ignorance. We laugh at their stupidity. We laugh as they sleepwalk into another potentially explosive situation and cringe as they blindly pour petrol on the fire. It is those who laugh with these characters who have the problem.
All humour in some way serves a critical function. In that respect, whether you like it or not, most humour is "PC". If it isn't, it's just crass, and then we're back into Bernard Manning territory.
Blimey that was a bit long, wasn't it? I'd better get back to work...
A wonderfully engaging post fatglyn2, & sums up our state of current affairs with regards to comedy a lot more eloquently than i could have said myself... As much as i loved the Comic Strip in its time it has to be said they were among the biggest culprits of the PC brigade... Oh how i long for a time where once again the world would seem innocent enough that comedy actually has a meaning to me instead of just an excuse to bolster our own ego for being the forthright upstanding pillars of society that we all(grudgingly)aspire to be........
If satire is dead, it's because the 'alternative' comedians and their views have become part of the establishment. As Swift said, 'satire is a glass wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own.' Eg, people like Stewart Lee can happily mock Christianity, but his liberal/left views prevent him from mocking Islam. And isn't it funny that Ben Elton, whose sole raison d'etre was attacking the Conservative government, went quiet in 1997?
It's also worth noting that the penalties for being truly 'alternative' now are a lot more severe than they were twenty years ago. Danish cartoons spring to mind, and just look at the fuss made over Chris Morris' satire on paedophilia.