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The referee actually had quite a good game


The film obviously tries to portray the ref as being biased towards the Germans - When the game begins every decision is met with raised eyebrows from Max Von Sydow, y'know, the Good German, as if to say "Achtung! the ref hass been bribed. How unsporting."

But I say give the guy a break. Let's have a closer look at his performance:

He gave the Germans two penalties. And they both WERE penalties. Look closely at the first incident - there's definitely contact! And for the second penalty , Ossie Ardiles goes sliding inside the box when the Germans going nowehere. He makes it very easy for the ref to blow, that's all I'm saying - especially in the current climate.

Then there's the Allied offside goal. Clearly NOT offside, but the linesman flagged , so can we really blame the ref here?

And as for the couple of allied injuries, well, the game was a lot more physical back then, these things happened.

At the end of the day, if the ref really was so biased then there's no way he'd have even let the Allies come back from 4-1 down at half time to draw the game.

And arguably, he could have disallowed Pele's goal for dangerous play, his feet were well high.

I rest my case.

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thanks for sucking the life out of the film, lol

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I feel that I've added another dimension to it.

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I agree.

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Nobody seems to have mentioned the fact that Von Steiners mate actually admitted to bribing the ref. And while the game may have been more physical back then, punches to the body were never allowed. I also agree with the poster who said the offside was so obvious the ref should have over ruled him.

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I feel that I've added another dimension to it
Thanks so much Judd! I now see the film in a whole new light.

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"Then there's the Allied offside goal. Clearly NOT offside, but the linesman flagged , so can we really blame the ref here?"

If its so clear, the ref has to overrule his assistant.

"And as for the couple of allied injuries, well, the game was a lot more physical back then, these things happened."

More physical? More clumsy is the appropriate word. :P

"And arguably, he could have disallowed Pele's goal for dangerous play, his feet were well high."

True.

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totally agree with you mate, ref was fair. second pen to germany was a stonewall penalty. Ossie dived in and missed the ball completely. I think the two Alans would agree

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The penalty calls were okay but the no-calls when the allies wre getting tromped were blatantly biased.

I wonder if the crowd escorted the ref out of the game at the end like the rest of the allies because if not then the nazi's would be sure to kill him for allowing the allies to come back.

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Nah in real life the allies surrounded the ref and berated him, then Pele's character turned to the Sky cameras and told them what a *beep* disgrace it was.

We have always found the Irish a bit odd. They refuse to be English.
~Winston Churchill

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Would Pele have been banned next time he played in European competition though,when the war was over?

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I agree with the OP!

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I know nobody will read it,

but back then, football was much tougher.
So although we might see it as something worth a penalty,

arround the time, the film was made, or at least when the writers wrote the script, such actions weren´t that unnormal.

On a documentary about soccer, they made a comment about some of the old classics (WEmbley, wonder of bern and so on)

With todays super strict rules, most soccer world cup finals, till the mid 80s, would have ended somewhere in the first half time, because the teams would have run out o players

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