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Thief-the real deal


For the sake of argument Thief was a true story. There was some dramatic imbellishment used but it was a true story. Not at all based on some german book. Mann is from Chicago and was good friends with a former chicago cop turned actor, who was active durring those years. The resemblences between this movie and actual events that occured in Chicago in 1978 are uncanny. Neither will ever admit to it I am sure. My question is what ever became of the wife and child? Did they live happily ever after or do they relive this incident every day and have they for the last 26 years? I think I know the answer.

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I am not too sure how many people out there even read any of this, and from the lack of any interaction I have my doubts. As Mann has said over and over again this story was inspired by real life events. Any idea exactly which man was really protraied in this film? I am pretty sure I know and I am quite sure I have met the wife and child, who just so happens to be an adult now. Kind of funny how people who saw the film felt a tweek in their hearts for the woman and child, however in reality the real players turned their backs without hesitation and never looked back. I have posted this on a few different forums in different ways over the last month. Almost 4,000 people have read and paid attention to this daily, and I thank them. Yet there has not been one brave or truthful soul that has attempted to say I was totally wrong and crazy nor has any of the above come to the aid or rescue of the family.....pretty damn sad. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME, on them!!!!!!!

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speak more, get it out on the new release!








Season's Greetings!

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I don't know whether Frank's wife and child have a basis in reality, but Frank's mentality--the way he describes himself to Jessie in the diner--is taken from a real person. In the DVD commentary, Mann and Caan say Frank's mentality ("nothin' means nothin" and the piece of paper that shows what his ideal life would be) were taken from a story John Santucci told about another guy.

Personally, I think the wife and child are plot devices and haven't been taken from actual events.

Also, I think that if thief were an entirely/mostly true story, Mann and Caan would've said so in the commentary. They say so much else ("This character was based on X" or "This scene is based on a story told by Y"), I think they probably would've said whether or not Frank's breakdown was based on a true story.

Just my .02.

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Allow me to enlighten you a wee bit. "Frank", the real one, did in fact have a wife and child so they had a major base in reality. And the dinner scene was in fact taken from a real person at a restaurant over 290 in Chicago. This person was husband and father to the people I am associated with. The "other" guy that Santucci was talking about was in fact who the film was truly based upon. As a matter of fact Santucci(in real life) just so happen to live in the same suburb as "Frank" and his family did. The wife and child were taken from reality because I am in fact working for them. The reason that Mann and Caan did not come out and say that this was a true story, or based on real life events is because of civil liaibility. If they had they would have had to pay to get concent for the content. If I had not seen overwhelming proof I never would have believed it was true.

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Thanks for clearing that up. Makes sense. And having heard that, I'd be inclined to think Santucci was pretty close to the real-life Frank, maybe even a member of his crew. Or maybe not. On the street, word gets around.

And hey, since you seem to know Chicago like it was back then, clue me in on Farina? Was he as bent and tough as people say?

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Great question my friend. Unfortunatly civil liability prevents me from getting into what I personally think. However, I can say that Dennis was at the right place at the right time with the right people. Den was a better schmoozer than anyting els. I would like to know who exactly says he was a "tough" guy, I have heard a lot of things about him but that was never one of them.

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Why do you keep posting this horsesh!t? "Thief" was loosely based on the book titled "The Home Invaders," by Frank Hohimer who was an AMERICAN (where in the holy hell do you come up with this German crap?).

Much of the dialogue comes straight from the book (the conversation between Frank and Jessie in the car, the exchange between Frank and Urizzi in the police station, the exchange between Frank and Joe Gags, etc.).

Much of the story was interwoven between the book and various anectdotes provided by John Santucci and other "former" thieves.

Please don't bother replying unless you plan on posting something factual.

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Everything that I have typed about this topic has been nothing but factual. I do however see how you can be so confused. You are going by what you have read. I am going from what I have investigated and what I have found out. I have no need to convince you of anything. Here is a thought, it appears from the way you type that you may have a wee bit of a problem with interaction.....you may want to up the dosage on your medication.

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Factual my ass. The book on which this movie was based is FACTUAL. Maybe this would be a good time for you to look up that definition, however, based on the other nonsense you posted, it might very well be a wasted effort, since you likely CANNOT READ (HINT: A LARGE PART OF "INVESTIGATING" INVOLVES READING, R-E-A-D-I-N-G). Dumbass. Please point out what is not "factual" in the book. Otherwise, DON'T BOTHER REPLYING.

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You have no idea who I may be or what my intrest in any of this could possibly be. Too bad Chicago PD does not have any real sharp cast like you on the force. You seem to know a lot, maybe you can help them with their cold case back log since you like to read so much.

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I think it's rather despicable that you're trying to portray yourself as a police officer and even more of a shame that you've developed a cadre of boot lickers who don't seem to know any better.

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I am a bit more than that! From the way you type it is very easy to see that you are an arm chair quarterback. As the saying goes, if you do not know just keep your yapper shut. As most, you just want to spew. I live in and deal with the real world, you obviously do not. If you have some "true, been there done that" type info I would love to have you under oath......if not, keep your pathetic *beep* to yourself.

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Apparently you're bigger blithering idiot than I originally thought, not to mention an awful LIAR. Have you ever read "The Home Invaders?" Do you even have a clue who Frank Hohimer was? The basic elements of "Thief," its characters, and much of the dialogue came directly from this book, which just happened to be published three full years before your cock-n-bull story allegedly occurred. Go peddle your lies and fairy tales somewhere else, dumbass.

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I will rephrase my afore mentioned statment. The events in the film, toward the end of the film, actually occured between early 77 to mid 78. The man had been "implanted" into the Chicago scene approximatly early 1970, however no one really knows for sure. A good part of the actual events depicted occured from then on. Honestly even his family does not know exactly when or how he came to land here. I can say this, there was really a "joseph" set into place but he did not follow "frank's" plan. The house is still in the burbs, reconstructed form an "incident", not far from the air port and comes up blank when a title search is done...with exception of the new owners, and I am sure they have no idea. People, in reality, do not like to talk about this topic....even under oath.

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this is some funny *beep* crack me up its a *beep* movie get over it.

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It is pretty funny. Kind of sad that in truth the guy who proports to be "connected" and know so much is probably living in his parents basement and working on his costume for the next Star Trek convention.

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I dont want to be involved in this nasty and messy thread, but the film is loosely based on career criminal Frank Hohimer. And I was lucky enough to have read the original script that contained a few scenes that never made it on the big screen: in the beginning Frank spies on his wife, Vi, who is having an affair and with whom they already have a child (April); in the end Frank does reunite with Josie and the TWO kids (April and David).

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I think it's already been stated that Frank Hohimer's "The Home Invaders" was the basis for "Thief." Everybody knows that. Much of the dialogue and many of the situations come directly from the book.

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If you want anybody to believe you, this "cryptic knowing" stuff isn't cutting it. Perhaps you are a cop and work with a family disowned by a criminal, or something to that effect. But its obvious that you are unable to back up any of you claims.

And, by the way, your choice of user-name doesn't exactly make you come off as the most intellectual person I've met.

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Duh.

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