Prince and Serpico


A lot of people seem to think that Prince is an improved Serpico.

Frank Serpico was a clean cop throughout his career

Dan Cielo was a crooked cop throughout MOST of his career

I don't see the analogy.

Cielo sold out to save his ass, as a result all his freind either killed themselelves or went to jail. He went onto a mediocre career as a novelest, and public speaker about police corruption which he embraced fully during his career

It's a great movie, don't get mr wrong.

But I don't see Cielo as a hero.

I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney, than driving with Ted Kennedy





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Cielo didnt sell out to save his ass. They didnt catch him and make him inform. He was wracked with guilt and wanted to be a good guy again. Problem was he didnt control what was going on in his own investigation.

The character transistion of Cielo/Williams is fantastic. From cocky cop to bleeding gums, this is one of the best character portrayals in movie history.

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I'll go along with that---The LAST paragraph,

yeah he had the guilt but still sold out his friends, That's why somewhere on this board somewhere states the hoods had more honor. He wanted to give himself up for his piece of mind, fine, he shouldn't have taken his parteners/friends with him. He probably couldhave done that, did a little time in minium/protected security then come out and play bigshot writer. He didn't even pay a fine,(and he made alot of money illegally) and probably got his pension. He was a snake

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I don't agree with you at all Citizenright1. Danny continued to lie/perjure himself from day one onward. I think he was smart enough to know that the lid wasn't going to stay on all that corruption indefinitely and knew that being 'first' to report it all with the: "I just wanna make it all 'right', my conscience is killing me" BS line would help him come out ahead in the end.
And that paranoia of being 'found out' was more of what was eating at him then 'wracked with guilt'. I agree he wanted to put the genie back in the bottle and start over again as a 'good guy' but most think that way when caught. He hadn't been caught just yet maybe but he felt it was coming IMHO. His actions demonstrate this. Had he admitted all up front, then I'd say maybe he was truly repentant but no, Danny was scamming the investigators all along.
Frank Serpico, initially, was willing to turn a blind eye to the same corruption. It was when his co workers started making it tough for him that he decided to blow the lid of it all. Two different motivations.
Danny, besides wanting to protect his partner(s), also wanted to dictate the terms of his 'punishment' and was willing to continually lie/perjure himself to those ends i.e., protect his pay/benefits/retirement/reputation (cake and eat it too).
Had Frank Serpico worked on the same team as Danny during that time, Frank would've ended up going down too (as long as Danny 'talked' first) as he would have been 'guilty' of witnessing criminal acts committed by his fellow officers and no doubt would have been charged with not only 'failing to report' but even assisting in covering up the these acts as some portions of his submitted reports had to have contained factual errors or something other than the 100% truth - even if it was just by him leaving out certain details ('omission' vs 'commission'). IIRC the charge is something like: 'Offering of a false document/instrument for filing ...' etc).
Had Danny named Frank and Frank then claimed in his own defense that the very next morning he himself had planned to give a detailed report of all that he had witnessed, he still would have been screwed: "Oh well, a day late and a dollar short Frank, hands behind your back, you know the routine ... ". Thats just the way these things go down - like getting nailed for an expired car inspection: even if you tell the officer that first thing in the morning you have an appointment to have your car inspected, it just sounds so .... BS/pathetic/typical and often the prosecuting authority gets more p*ssed at the person who claims 'but I was gonna ....' then the guy who just simply/quietly says: 'OK, ya got me'. And that 'being the first' to squeal goes a loooooong way too and I think Danny understood this.
For Frank Serpico, the difference of 24 hours could have made the difference between him being the 'hero cop' that he is or just one more corrupt cop who was caught up in an IAD sweep. I don't mean to criticize Serpico - not my intent, just talking about luck/timing, 'the system' and 'the ways of the world".

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A lot of people seem to think that Prince is an improved Serpico.

What they're referring to is the subtlety of Prince and the complex rendering of the protagonist, not the real life individuals and their putative "heroic" attributes.

I feel you're missing the whole beauty of Danny as a protagonist, namely his ambiguity. He may be self-serving, but he has a conscience and a sense of professional integrity; he may have been corrupt, but only because he was naive enough to think he could be a criminal and a good cop at the same time.

I think Prince is far more interesting as a drama, in part because Danny is wrestling with internal demons more than he is external enemies.

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Ciello was not a hero neither a "snake". But the biggest difference between him and Frank Serpico is that, unlike the latter, Ciello was not an idealist and therefore made for a more interesting character. In terms of psychology Prince actually is more subtle and engaging than Serpico, so yes, I think I agree that Prince is an improvement over the earlier film. Which, of course, is very good as well. Pity it didn´t and doesn´t get more attention or acknowledgement. One of the best films of eighties as far as I´m concerned. And also a pity that Williams kinda disappeared - he´s absolutely great in here. In the beginning, yes, he did kinda "channel Pacino or De Niro at their busiest" as one reviewer put it, but there are so many scenes in which he´s absolutely marvelous.

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I couldn't agree with you more.

I thought the film was brilliant, the performances were amazing, and the film in general is VERY underrated.

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this seemed more realistic.




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I think what most people are missing out on here is that the movie is a portrayal of a system, rather than a character piece. Dan is at the centre of it and carries the brunt of the movie, but its the underlying corruption that starts in the system that is the true 'character' of the movie and that in the end , affects everyone.

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Seprico was a MUCH more enjoyable movie for me. Prince was tedious exercise in watching Treat Williams act paranoid and stressed out for three hours!

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Seprico was a MUCH more enjoyable movie for me. Prince was tedious exercise in watching Treat Williams act paranoid and stressed out for three hours!

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