Requiem for a dream vs Christiane F.


I watched Requiem for a dream some months ago and i like it a lot.
Christiane F is similar to this one? is more disgusting?

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Style...

Rarely will you see a film so evocative of a certain time/place as Christiane F... It could almost be viewed as a period piece...

It is a raw, dirty film when compared with Requiem -- both deal with raw/dirty subject matter, but Christiane F. is not tricky and that's the difference. I fear that Christiane F., were it to be made today instead of 25 years ago, would look a lot like Requiem and that would be a shame.

Christiane F. feels like the camera crew, lighting technicians...everybody is either on dope or has done dope. The film feels like the producers reall got it.

BTW - no fair comparing book to movie. The book is a diary & the movie is more documentarian.

Put down the spoon and pick up the fork!

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i agree. requiem is very much more stylised, and slick. christiane f. feels grimey and altogether more raw.

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To compare the film Christiane F with Requiem for a dream, is like comparing art with the real life experience. Both films are highly acclaimed, but I feel that Christiane F captures the reality of teenage truths in such a realistic manner, that it speaks form the gutters and with no hidden agendas - its life at its worst once imagined by an innocent teenage girl to be the real life she wanted. It hits hard - and is true about so many teenage disasters. I had two of my scholars go the same way, and it cannot be coloured in with artistic flair and musical genius such as was the case in the brilliant film Requiem for a dream. It is what kids are doing when they seek that acceptance - may these two films never be archived. MAy there be many more such masterpieces that will remind us of what life could have been like if we ourselves did not say enough now - I wanna go straight.

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I saw Christiane when I was 14 and Requiem as an adult, Both had an impact on me but I found Requiem far more disturbing... I thought Christiane was less "artistic" and rougher.

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I have both movies. One based on a true story and one fictional. Both deal with problems of drug use, mainly heroin, both deal with prostitution or crime to get the money to pay for the drugs. Not sure which is more graphic, there's the issue of the deaths of Christiane's friends but Requiem does emphasise more on the different things that can happen if you carry on using and injecting, ending up in jail, a mental hospital, losing limbs etc. I also think that Christiane was extremely lucky not to contract HIV/Aids from borrowing that grubby syringe from the dodgy bloke in the public toilet! There are many films on the subject which could be mentioned, for same subject matter & graphic scenes you cant beat Trainspotting!
Jan B

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Since I am german-born (in West-Berlin) and I have visited it (Wall still there) in 1980 (even though I lived in Frankfurt at the time) I can fully identify with the style, language and atmosphere. So I am biased. I saw both movies very carefully and I think that Christiane F. is the better movie (so does Roger Ebert BTW).
Requiem feels polished and "produced". Sure the main actors in Christiane F. are just a little bit prettier than they would have been in real life, but that just means translating it into movie language. Also: a low/middle class Berlin accent would be impossible to understand for anyone in Germany outside Berlin, so they opted for a toned down Berlin accent for the main characters (Christiane, Detlev etc.) and a more pronounced one for side characters. Excellent!

Christiane F. wins - hands down. No glorifying, no split screen, no artsy montages to tell an abstract tale of injecting and getting the flash. Just pure, raw fact.

BTW: I don't care much about Jared Leto anyway - sorry folks. Jennifer Connelly and Marlon Wayans are fine though, great work. Ellen Burstyn is fantastic, but somehow this movie isn't about her - her role seems to be just a parallel/metaphor so the movie can hammer home its point through artsy cross-cuts: addiction is bad. What else is new?

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She couldn't contract HIV at all, mate.
The movie is set in the late 70s, a few years before the first cases of HIV were reported in Europe.

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Well I'm biased, as C.F. is my favourite film of all time, so Christiane F wins! I like requiem a lot, but the setting, music, cast, everything, are much grittier and realistic in Christiane F. The performances are honest, heartwrenching even.

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No doubt - Requiem doesn't stand a chance against Christiane F.

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Christiane F deals more with the subject of Drugs I guess...
Requiem for a dream deals with the subject matter of drugs, but also shows us the lust to be successful, glorified, etc etc. (I think you know what I mean.)

I must say, Christiane F. is my pick out of the two...
But be warned, it is much more graphic, as far as drug use is concerned...

But I guess Requiem for a dream is an altogether better movie. It is less graphic, or should I say less descriptive, but still, I enjoyed watching it, as a movie. (The story, music, characters, perhaps even the acting...).

Please watch both (if you already haven't), they are totally different from one another...

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I agree in that both movies are good. But, I felt that Requiem was a bit more surreal. Or maybe I just cared more for the characters in Christiane.

I remember seeing trailers for Christiane F. when it first came out in the early 80s and it scared the preteen pants right off me! When I finally saw it as an adult, it bothered me that these "children" had such a terrible life. Even though they chose the life they led, it felt as though they were being exploited.

In Requiem, everyone was an adult and made their choices to "get ahead" in life. Or trying to take a shortcut to whatever goal they were striving for. Kind of like they made their beds and now have to lie in them.

Maybe it's just my "mom" mentality taking over...

Either way, both films are great and worth watching. But I liked Christiane F. better.

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You do have a good point...
"Even though they chose the life they led, it felt as though they were being exploited."

You are absolutely right. I also think that they were exploited in more than one way. As children, they were misdirected, without a doubt. Though they weren't babies, they probably lacked the required guidance from their parents. I would like to add that this is also an eye opener for all the parents out there. Particularly because "some parents" tend to give up looking after their kids, once they reach a certain age, which is a horrible misjudgement. Movies like these will remind them to have a little bit more focus.
Without a doubt, this is by far the stronger story, particularly because it is true and it involved kids at the same time. People are more sensitive towards seeing a child ruining his/her life, which of course is very chaotic. The cinematic elements used in this movie, paints a far more horrific picture about drugs and drug usage.

"In Requiem, everyone was an adult and made their choices to "get ahead" in life. Or trying to take a shortcut to whatever goal they were striving for. Kind of like they made their beds and now have to lie in them."


Once again, you are right. Clearly making the story less sensitive to the human eye.

But...
As a movie, I think Requiem is better because of some other elements, such as acting, music, storytelling, etc. Although it is a movie that involved drugs, that doesn't necessarily mean that it shouldn't contain anything else. (I am not saying that Christiane F. didn't contain anything but drugs, but a few scenes were 'too much' in my opinion). To me, Requiem was a more complete 'movie' that contained better cinema usage.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not arguing, just merely stating why I chose Requiem over Christiane F.

Cheers!!!

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Christiane F is the better film.

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Ditto to Christiane F being the front runner vs. Requiem. They just dont make them like that anymore.

Requiem revolved around the side-effects of abuse & dealing, and artistically so. But Christiane F got down and dirty with the withdrawal scenes; vomit, stinky sweat, the kicks and jerks and desperation - it made me want to take a shower after watching. Felt like my skin was crawling watching the two of them (Detlef & Christiane). For Requiem, it was an artistic smash - just not realistic.

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I don't really see the need to make a choice. They are both near the top of a very short list of movies in this genre (specifically H or opiate movies). While these two are probably my favorites, I also love Candy, Panic in Needle Park, Trainspotting, Permanent Midnight and even Basketball Diaries (but this is probably because I loved the book so much when I was younger before having any first hand knowledge of opiates).

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Both movies are great!

CHRISTIANE F. is the more gritty of the two. It's rough, dark and dirty, and you almost forget that you're watching a movie.

REQUIEM FOR A DREAM is cleaner and stylized, and definitely innovative for the quick shots and the Brian De Palma use of split screens.

If I had to pick, I'd say CHRISTIANE F. wins by a hair.

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