glamourises or deglamourises?


I love this movie so much, so am only putting this out there as a moot point. Do you think Christiane F makes drugs deem glamorous, revolting or somewhere in between? At first, it is shocking and shows the depravity that can result from drugs (Teen prostitution, cleaning needles in dirty toilets etc...) but after watching it several more times, you start to notice the gorgeous actors, the great clothes, the sometimes glamorous settings (ie. Sound). Does this 'gloss' take away from the anti-drug message or is it just a chronicle of how it really was and completely impartial? The same could be asked of films like trainspotting etc.

Any opinions welcomed...

thanks.

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Personally I found the movie depressing. I didn't think The Sound was glamorous at all, it looked like a dump to me. I can understand what you're saying though. I remember reading that the real Christiane was disturbed that kids found her life "cool" and wanted to copy her, when in reality it's a horrible existence. I think some movies do glamorize heroin use, by using attractive actors and having good soundtracks. That's the movie industry though, they want to sell tickets by making the movie as appealing as possible,even if it is about drug addiction.





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hey thanks for the reply...it's a fine line that directors tread i think. the two leads in this film are gorgeous and glamorous (at the start) and it does knind of influence the way the film plays out. Then there's trends like heroin chic, and it's easy to see how there isn't a clear line drawn between the sleazy reality/glamorous fiction.

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That's an interesting question, I've been thinking about this myself. In my opinion it totally depends on each viewer's general attitude. I think it's beyond any doubt that both Christiane F. and Trainspotting show the dark side of drug addiction: Misery, death, physical and emotional decay. Trainspotting certainly has a more quirky and humorous approach, but I think it gets its message across. In Christiane F. however there's basically no humor at all. Even less so in the book. Still I can't say that I'm in absolutely no way attracted to certain aspects of this kind of life. I think I could never sink so deep, because I'd still have enough reason and responsibility to prevent it. But, well, I'm the courious type and I often knowingly do what's not good for me.
In the case of Christiane F. I also feel a nostalgic longing for those times when West Berlin must have been an extremely exciting city.

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yeah it's certainly a weird phenomenon. I see this film as hideously depressing, but to me, there is undeniable attraction to it, some element of desireability and glamour. Which is in itself ridiculous, as you wouldn't wish prostitution/addiction on your worst enemy. I thin the setting plays a big role, too, as the above poster said. It seems quite Vibrant in some scenes (dull and grey in others...) Berlin seems like it would be so exciting.

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As I said, there is an appeal to some aspects. Prostitution and addiction are certainly not among them. As for the setting, it's also a matter of taste. I just don't like it neat and tidy. I understand if someone does, but I like it urban and dirty. Plus at that time Berlin was still a divided city and West Berlin was this small island of freedom within the communist bloc, which was a really weird phenomenon.

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yeah it's certainly a weird phenomenon. I see this film as hideously depressing, but to me, there is undeniable attraction to it, some element of desireability and glamour. Which is in itself ridiculous, as you wouldn't wish prostitution/addiction on your worst enemy. I thin the setting plays a big role, too, as the above poster said. It seems quite Vibrant in some scenes (dull and grey in others...) Berlin seems like it would be so exciting.

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I got the same feelings as you.
The first time I watched the film, it was an absolute shock.
Then, when I got to watch it a second time, I noticed all the "glamourizing" elements, the main one being the way the love story between Christiane and Detlef is told.
I think that, while "Christiane F." is more "gritty" and "realistic" on the surface than films like "Trainspotting", there is an underlying sense of romanticism throughout the movie.
This is not to say that this film endorses heroin use at all, though. The "glamour" might have been thrown in just to draw movie-goers to the box-office.

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There's a thread here where someone asks, if this story was actually based on facts. Well, of course it is. And as understandable as it is, that several things have been changed for the movie version, it also has to be noted that the book isn't 100% accurate either. Christiane has stated in an interview that Detlef had been furious about the way their relationship was presented in the book. Apparently the editors made their relationship appear more romantic than it really was. Christiane confirmed that saying that there was no such thing as love between junkies. Reportedly, Detlef said that he had never really loved Christiane and that it had been just a junkie relationship.

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Yeah I'd heard that too - that he wasn't happy about any of it. He certainly stayed away from any of the 'fame' or notoriety more like, that came with it.

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Fancy seeing your here, oliviag. (It's "Angela".)

I think the romantic relationship between two hotties (Christiane + Detlef), the awesome outfits and David Bowie gave the movie a real hint of glamour, but I think they handled the actual drug use quite well - keeping it dirty and realistic enough to make me at least never want to go near a syringe of H.

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I'm not sure that it glamorises the drug scene...but I would agree that there is a certain atmosphere portrayed in any drug film that may appear desirable. I don't think that's because the writers and director have purposefully attempted to romanticise the scene, but because, like everything, it isn't entirely black and white. There are some good things about drugs, if there wasn't, then people wouldn't be taking them despite obvious indications that the results can be less then glamorous. At the beginning there are scenes like this, which aren't unrealistically romantic at all, because drugs aren't always bad. Then again, you can look at it from the perspective of somebody who would find the latter scenes glamorous because some people are attracted to destruction, for whatever reason. So really, if a film were to portray the drug scene accurately you would find both portrayals of the glamorous and unglamorous side, which Christiane F did quite well.

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Well said.









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This film successfully glamorises youth, and how it feels to be on the cusp of self realisation, portrayed against a background of weighty circumstances imposed upon the shoulders of these young people. Don't get hung up on the drug element, which amounts to a consequential component part of their self discovery and personal odyssey rather than a defining personification.
Drugs are dangerous and undesirable if the person using them becomes an addict. Addiction is a tragic human condition which too many people associate solely with drug taking. In all its far reaching manifestations addiction is an illness, a humbling and destructive condition which requires a great deal of understanding and support, rather than the blanket "drugs are bad" message. It is easy to fall into the trap of self-righteousness when the issues explored in this film and others like it present difficult questions which are best not considered from a perspective of moralistic fervour or intent. I admire the honesty exhibited in this film which goes some-way to honouring the true story so eloquently conveyed in the book upon which it is based, I recommend anyone looking for a deeper insight into these people read it.

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You thought the cast was glamorous?

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In their portrayal of the real life counter-parts, yes they, with the help of the director conveyed the glamour of youth. Yes the cast did possess a frisson of grungy 1970's glamour, although such judgements are in the eye of the beholder, but then that isn't relevant to the film, is it.

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actually that "customer" in the car speeded away when the two prostitutes started fighting in front of him. Those men are scared of attention from police and he simply fled from a dangerous situation i believe.

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I love this movie, too. Christiane F. and Requiem For A Dream are probably the best movies I've seen that deal with addiction and drugs.

I don't think it glamorizes the scene at all. Perhaps the attraction is more of excitement than glamor. The stuff they do like going to the Sound and running in the night are pretty exciting to a teen who hasn't experienced those things before.

But slamming the H (heroin) and the way they nodded out didn't look very fun to me. Especially when they would get sick trying to kick it. That was awful.

I believe this movie is the reason I NEVER tried H. I did mostly everything else but I stayed clear away from heroin.

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I've yet to see a film that DOES glamorize drugs or drug addiction. Just because a movie shows a person doing a drug and feeling good off of it, it doesn't mean the film is glamorizing anything, it is just showing the facts, in that drugs feel good, very good, most of the time.

Sox575, of course from an outside view, watching a person nodding off doesn't look very fun, it's an acquired taste. If you actually did heroin, you'd realize how great it feels and you wouldn't have that opinion of nodding off anymore. You say you stayed away from it. Did you stay away from morphine/oxycodone/hydrocodone/codeine/opium? Those are all the same class of drugs as heroin so doing those is almost the same thing as doing heroin, only heroin has a low oral bioavailability and that is why it is commonly injected, or snorted/smoked, as opposed to taken orally like a pill.

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I've actually have taken codeine and hydrocodone but that was from an RX and used for pain. I've never enjoyed opiates because I'd rather be alert so my preferences were always either coke or speed.

And by "glamorize," I guess I mean that this movie doesn't make heroin look fun at all.



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It probably does for viewers who have THEMSELVES had a drug problem, but that is inevitable. If you realistically portray drug abuse, it's inevitably going to have an appeal for those who are self-destructively attracted to that reality.

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IMO this film is about as gritty and real as it gets. Think about it - we start off with two main characters who are quite beautiful. We watch their slow descent into addiction, including one of the characters saying they have "control" over the drug (this is something that most, if not all, addicts say in the beginning).

We end up with those two characters looking as if they're being dragged through hell on earth. The look on her face inside the train station when her eyes are all swollen, she's confused-looking - it just broke my heart.

If that didn't get to you (not you, specifically, just the general audience), we have multiple scenes of both vomiting their guts out, sweating, chilling, having sex with random strangers, sharing bloody needles, using toiler water to load their needles, a 14 year old forced to beat the hell out of some naked pervert (with what looks like dead chickens hanging in the bedroom), etc.

Those are some of the most striking and brutally honest visuals regarding heroin abuse that we can get. Our two main characters, who start out looking so beautiful, end up looking like Satan sucked all their life and soul out of their bodies. I really don't know how much more "real" this movie could get. That is what heroin addiction does - it sucks the life out of the addict.

The beauty is I'm learning how to face my beast ~ Blue October

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