Flash Gordon's values



Flash Gordon's values according to this movie, are... what, exactly?

Do we see him speak for the downtrodden, for the poor, for the oppressed masses?

What sort of ideology does he express, what sort of things does he consider to be good?

Let's examine a few other 'hero' characters from famous movies and TV shows.

MacGyver.

Immediately upon seeing this name, you think of a pacifist agent that solves problems with intelligence and vast knowledge of physics, chemistry and such, instead of violence and mob rule. You know he believes in individualism, serving the public good, and he can get angry, when he meets some stubborn a-hole that hasn't thought these things through.

You know his values, you know his character, you understand his motivations, and even if you don't agree with him, it's very clear what kind of a Gy(ver) he is.

Michael Knight.

This man defends the helpless, the powerless, and loves intimate relations with the opposite gender. He enjoys philosophical conversations with his car, enjoys good music and even video games. He hates people that break the law, and who oppress others, and is willing to punch such people in the face to prevent them from doing more crimes. He's passionate about his work, and he lectures his enemies often.

You know exactly what kind of values he has, and what sort of Knighting he does.

Columbo.

Now, this man wears a sort of 'behavioural personality disguise' in the form of a bumbling fool, in order to get the criminals to relax and make mistakes or divulge information that he can use to catch them. He's sneaky, but likable. He hates evildoers passionately (and has lectured very angrily in some episodes), and he'll do anything he can, including tricking the criminals, to get the guilty and put them behind bars. He even learns their trade, if need be.

It's very easy to see what sort of values Columbo has, and what makes him tick.

Now, let's turn our observational eyes back to Flash Gordon.

What has he lectured about passionately? What kind of values has he expressed? What wisdom has he expressed, what information has he helped others with, and what is his philosophy, what are his ideals?

It seems the only reason he does things in this movie, is because circumstances push him in certain directions, but he certainly isn't determined to take control of a situation and to direct the situation towards the realization of his ideals, values, philosophy or goals. What are his goals? Where did he even come from, really? Is he just a football player? What kind of a hero is that?

I just can't express enough how bad this movie is, but perhaps this kind of observational inspection of Flash Gordon's COMPLETELY blank-slate-of-emotions-values-and-ideals gives some clue. Holy cow, how can anyone have thought this was acceptable?

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This Flash Gordon is a football player.

His core value is: WIN!

I don't think there's much else going on in there.

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I was about to respond in the same manner. He's a football player who is tasked with saving the world. It would be weird if he suddenly began pontificating about the downtrodden masses or drafting documents outlining positive political changes. About all I expect from him in terms of wisdom or lecture is a quick "Okay, I'll take Ming high, you go long and catch the raygun when I toss it. On two... break!"

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Hah! Yeah that sounds about right.

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His values are to save the Earth from annihilation.

Does he need any others?

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It's not value, it's destination.

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It's just a fun, escapist adventure story. Why do people expect every movie to have some "message" or "values" these days?

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"Win the game. Kill Ming. Save the Earth. Get in Dale's pants." That's it.

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he also wants to have children with dale.

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Interesting thread as I thought Flash was an endearingly lunkheaded character. The contrast between the song and his actual actions in the film always amused me, as he doesn't really do much to resist Ming aside from play football with his guards, refuse to be his governor on Earth, kick one man off a spaceship, and then kamikazes said spaceship into Ming. Flash's main accomplishment is to survive being "killed" or left for dead so many times.

That leaves it to the theme song and for other characters to name what his values are or what he champions. I guess this is inferred by Flash sparing Barin's life (or maybe Vultan and Flash have an off-screen conversation) because Vultan is loudly announcing "may peace be known forever in Flash Gordon's name!". This indicates that Flash is a pacifist, so actually values harmonious co-existance of several disparate beings over armed conflict (even though we see him mostly just kicking butt throughout the movie). Him sparing Barin, even though Barin tried to kill him numerous times, shows that Flash values forgiveness and sees value in building alliances even among enemies in order to combat a larger evil, so there is some utilitarianism in there over ideology.

Overtly, there is one important scene that stuck with me even as a kid, and that is when Ming visits him on the floating city and calls him a "hero" and offers him a job as the governor of Earth. Flash refuses his offer on the account that Earth's people would be "slaves". That brings into context that Flash has some values beyond just simply "must save Earth" and "must boink Dale". He actually values freedom and agency, at the time sort of widely understood to be core American values but no longer now in the 2020's that America is a lot more socialist-curious.

I did encounter Sam J. Jones at a fan convention in 2020 (where he signed my DVD as "Flash" and we took a photo together) and he was not wearing his mask like a lot of other people there. This indicated that Flash's values for freedom over being "ruled" have not changed in 40 years.

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