The blonde boy killed the Rheiman woman, that much I get. But when Julian was with her, the husband was egging him on to slap her, so we are led to believe he wants to pay to watch someone rough up his wife.
So, when the blonde boy was out there with Mrs Rheiman, I assume the husband was egging him on as well to slap her around. So did he go too far? Or did the husband secretly want/hope the blonde boy to kill his wife?
i think leon and rheiman had the blond boy kill her right away. no funny stuff.
shareMakes sense, Mr Rheiman looked like a sadistic *beep* I would not put it past him. Too bad they never did a sequel, Julian could have tracked down that blonde bastard and finished the job. Leon was nothing but a two bit hustler. But he did have a pretty sweet condo.
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First of all, Det.Sunday and the P.Springs cop were so bad that it's laughable. And I like the movie but the investigation is so ridiculous that it's advisable to not think about what's going on or it will make your head hurt.
If the story had a logical conclusion that we naturally can't see, of course the blond guy/Rheiman would have been caught. It's a piece of cake!
In one of the stupidest moves imaginable, just before Julian is taken in, Leon decided to shuffle up to the "Ca Overseas BAnk" drive-in window, get picked up --presumably on tape, even in the late 70's-- by a large white town car with Rheiman visable in the back, and drive off. Didn't either think they would be follwed by the Cops?
This was not a movie to expect much serious police work being done in the script. It was more an atmosphere film that you can't take seriously because the Rheiman Case would have been solved in about two days if Det. Sunday had anything on the ball.
This is very true, since towards the end of the movie Detective Sunday tells Julian "it would've been easier arresting you right away"......I guess the whole movie would've been easier at that also!!!
But then again for the ladies, they would've never got to see Richard Geres beep.
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The movie works best on an emotional psychological level. If you're not caught by that or alternately detach yourself from the whole drive of the film on purpose for some odd probably macho related reason and instead resort to maniacally nit pick the thing apart like you did you're not going to get much enjoyment out of the film. If all of this does not compute and you still fail to enjoy the film on the intended emotional level then I suggest you see a psychiatrist because you seem to be afflicted with Aspergers syndrome or some type of autism.
Hidyho!
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Interesting question.
I personally think that Rheiman didn't want his wife to be killed,originally.But this was not out of pity or love,but because he would have no living toy to play with.It's obvious-at least as he is portrayed in the movie-that 'it's all a game to these people'(Juilan says to Sunday).
The blonde boy who tricked with them in the past,got out of hand.Maybe Rheiman was watching,maybe he didn't for some crucial moments.
I am not sure if his tears in front of the police are true or fake.
If true,he is a 'freak' as Leon calls him.If not,he is a pretty good liar.
But I got the impression(matbe wrong)that Leon was conducting the orchestra after the killing took place.
And this maybe is an answer to another good question:'Why Leon and Rheiman aren't afraid to be seen together in public?'.
Because they are pretty sure that the law considers Julian to be a sinner and main suspect,while Rheiman,no matter what kind of equipment is found in his house,is a member of high society and this is his best alibi.
Remember when Leon at the gay disco scene says "If I was the police,I'd be more interested in Rheiman himself,he is a freak".It's just like saying 'I know they won't go after him because he is a good citizen in the eyes of law'
Even if Julian is provided with an airtight alibi for the first murder, wouldn't he still be looking at manslaughter charges for the death of the man that he dropped off of the balcony? And it wouldn't take all that much for a district attorney to make that 'Murder One', because he certainly had a motive to kill the black pimp.
"I would prefer not to...."
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you know i still think its possible that julian did murder the rheiman woman, its never clear who did it, he might have done it by accident maybe
Rheiman's wife died as a result of drug overdose and beatings, notice how doped up she is when Julian first meets her. Rheiman got a sick high watching his wife get abused but obviously had her quite drugged up to begin with. Combine the drugs with the beating and you have an "accidental" death which they attempted to cover up and decided to frame Julian.
shareI never got the sense she was drugged up.
Y'know, I could eat a peach for hours
The maid saw the entire conflict and told the police that Julian was trying to save Leon, not kill him.
It was an accident. When Julie charged Leon, he wasn't meaning to throw him over the balcony.
So the cops cleared him of those charges based on what the maid said/saw.
Do not taunt happy fun ball.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Fun_Ball share
That maid's testimony was a lucky break for Julian, because he really was trying to kill Leon -- and did. (We all remember he screamed, "YOU MOTHERF__KER!" and charged Leon, knocking him over the railing before realizing he needed him.)
shareHard to picture the blonde boy there, he seemed to play for the other team, that aside, I think it was probably planned by the husband and Leon together to have the wife killed and pin it on Julian.
Y'know, I could eat a peach for hours
i saw some of it again last night and julian did say that it took him 3 hours to "get her off" so he was there a long time. Again i think Julian did do it but he took cocaine(maybe given it?) and was high and rheiman urged him to do it or something like that, i cant see how the blonde boy could just walk in on the scene and do it. wouldnt julian simply stop him?? also another thing: he was having a conversation with the nina van pallandt character on the beach and she looked him in the eye and said to him you did do the murder didnt you??. Julian did NOT deny what she said and i think changed the subject.
feargal72, some notes regarding plot elements that might require another viewing of the story:
i cant see how the blonde boy could just walk in on the scene and do it.
wow glen SO SORRRRY. i had no idea of this fact/these facts. My understanding was it was the same night. ok.cheers. enough humble pie eaten!
however my question on the nina van pallandt character still stands.
however my question on the nina van pallandt character still stands
of course if julian was there on the second night then its unlikely the blonde boy did it as i said julian should/would have stopped it. in relation to the nina van pallandt question, u know glen it was the way she asked that question convinced me hes guilty, its as if she knows.
How would she know? Is she god?
The scene where she straight out asks Julian if she did it and he just looks at her are there as a red herring to make the viewer question whether Julian could have actually done it despite his denials (eesh, long sentence).There's a little bit of psychological thriller aspect.
The reality is, it's made very clear at the end by the black pimp that he and his blonde boy were involved in the murder. Whether it was an intentional request by the husband or just an over zealous man-hoe that took the BDSM too far, Leon and Mr Rheiman decided to pin it on Julian to vindicate themselves.
call it female instinct
i still think he was guilty and he was desperate for an alibi from any woman he knows and uses the lauren hutton character
it is possible to interpret it that way
also another thing: he was having a conversation with the nina van pallandt character on the beach and she looked him in the eye and said to him you did do the murder didnt you??. Julian did NOT deny what she said
Julian and Anne's (Nina) conversation on the beach began with Julian saying he thinks he is being framed. Therefore Julian's lack of denial when Anne suggests he was the killer doesn't allude to much.
sharedoesnt allude to much?? really??
why didnt he say something like....well mrs rheiman was alive when i left her...or something like that??
Yeah I don't get why Julian didn't just outright deny it.
Y'know, I could eat a peach for hours
Julian's alibi was Lisa. He really was with her 'til midnight, but being a woman of substance and married, she would not say he stayed longer than going to the auction.
Julian didn't answer Anne because he was beginning to see no one, especially the people who knew him best, would believe him.
Whether Rheiman and Leon fulfilled Rheiman's snuff fantasy or blonde boy just went too far is left to the audience to decide.
Michelle lied to get Julian released even though it cost her everything else. Julian didn't want that for her because he loved her. That's why he says his last line in the movie.
Hope this helps.
"he really was with her till midnight"
while this is plausible, nothing in the movie confirms this