Miscasting
I felt that many of the characters were miscast, and I felt it more strongly after seeing the movie version. Just some of the miscast characters: Ricki Tarr, Jim Prideaux, Irina, Connie Sachs, the school boy.
shareI felt that many of the characters were miscast, and I felt it more strongly after seeing the movie version. Just some of the miscast characters: Ricki Tarr, Jim Prideaux, Irina, Connie Sachs, the school boy.
shareOh, please. The series was expertly cast, the film--with the possible exception of Oldman--was largely forgettable in its casting. Firth was all wrong as Haydon, Cumberbach was his usual "man, I'm so intense" void as Guillam (I won't even mention the silly and irrelevant decision to make Guillam a homosexual), Toby Jones--whom I like a lot--came off in the film looking as if he were playing a mad scientist rather than the head of British Intelligence. The others were so blah, that, talking about the film recently, I had to go and look up many of their names, because I'd completely forgotten everything about their performances, and even what they looked like.
(And with Prideaux and Connie, you've just named two of the best casting choices in the series.)
Oh, please. The series was expertly cast...
I always find it incredible when someone says they prefer the film version to the mini. That's almost like saying you prefer reading the Cliff's Notes to a book to reading the actual book.
shareThere is something wrong here. The "Guillam a homosexual)" was a character in the much later movie of 2011. This page is devoted to TTSS, the 1979 series broadcast by the BBC. Why he was later recast as a queer is beyond me.
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No one has stated otherwise -- read the thread again.
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I think this is the link you should be following: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1340800/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm
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I don't know why you posted the link to the board. I said read the thread again.
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Here's what I posted:
Firth was all wrong as Haydon, Cumberbach was his usual "man, I'm so intense" void as Guillam (I won't even mention the silly and irrelevant decision to make Guillam a homosexual), Toby Jones--whom I like a lot--came off in the film looking as if he were playing a mad scientist rather than the head of British Intelligence.
I agree with those who find the film ultra weak. As for the "mis-casting", if you like the film characters better, then so be it, but it is no doubt that the BBC's versions of these characters are much closer to what the book intended them to be.
The Comparison that springs to the top of my list:
Hywell Bennett as Rick Tarri never particularly impressed me as some super actor -- just a n actor doing his job. But he blows Tom Hardy's Ricki Tarr out of the water. Bennett's Tarr is intense and a bit scary, and (if the book is any guide) should be exactly that. Tom Hardy is just a mope ... to such an extent that your jaw drops as you ask yourself .... Is this what they wanted? Did they do this on purpose?
I felt that about many of the main characters...Ian Bannen leaves such an indelible impression as Prideaux (who can best him in his haunting final scene?), while the actor who played him in the film...who was he? I honestly can't remember without looking up his name, lol.
And Colin Firth's Bill Haydon: played as some matinee-idol ladykiller, with matinee-idol slick good looks. That isn't the way Haydon's described in the book--yes, he's mightily attractive to both sexes, but it's as much or more for qualities beyond the physical that Firth never even began to suggest. And you are so right about Hywel Bennett--a better actor than he's usually been given credit for, and he made Ricki Tarr come alive in a way that Hardy never does in the film. I could go on and on, but even though there were some very good actors in the film's cast, I just cannot see how anyone could say any of them were better than the '79 group.
I don't fault the actors, by and large, so much as the direction they were given. As you say, someone seemed to have made some pretty odd choices as to how best translate the book to the recent film version of it.
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I agree totally, amyghost.
To me the worst atrocity was Cumberbatch, and also making that character gay. Although I usually like Cumberbatch, I thought his crying scene was completely unconvincing.
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I'm with you. I'll admit Cumberbatch doesn't over-awe me (I feel he's been absurdly overpraised for what, thus far has been a pretty meager career, and not all that much versatility within it), but he's a blank in this. My best guess is the decision was made to have him be a gay man, as it was the only way to make the film version of him have any dimensionality at all. Certainly he could not begin to touch Michael Jayston's definitive playing of the character.
shareThe film felt like a half baked revisionist exercise seeking an audience that identifies themes beyond the framework of it's Cold War setting. But I only come to this from reading the novel and loving the TV series. I think the film stands up by itself and is best appreciated as a metaphor. Personally, I've seen it and am in the profession of forgetting.
shareI've seen the movie twice now, and while I admit it's much better than what I anticipated in this particular age of filmmaking, it doesn't do justice to the great source material. And in comparison, it's nowhere near as accomplished as the series.
One thing I have to give the movie credit for is the photography and the atmosphere. It really feels as bleak as the era and people it's supposed to be portraying. But other than that, it's weak on many levels.
The actors aren't given much of a chance to display their talent. To be fair, the running time was insufficient for the material. But still, John Hurt (who in my opinion would've been a better Control than Alexander Knox) had only one or two scenes where he uttered a word. The lady who played Connie in the movie was much closer to the description in the book. But she did not display any of the bitterness that her character is supposed to be feeling.
Guillam, a major character who is doing all the spy work and is supposed to be the action man of the story, is completely lost in Cumberbatch. I was surprised that even after my second viewing, I remembered nothing at all about the performance. I blame this on the producer and the director, the two people that shape the final look of the film. Not only is the character invisible in the film, but he's also portrayed like a whiny, clueless man who can't possibly be Smiley's right hand man.
On paper, Tom Hardy was a good choice for the role I guess, but his performance here is very average. He doesn't stand out the way Bennett did. And he should've been oozing some sort of energy, the viewer should have felt that even when he was joking and trying to be cute, this guy could be dangerous. But no, not in the movie.
I'm sure I've written in another topic, that I think the TV Irina is very attractive, intriguing and feminine. The movie Irina is prettier, but nothing stands out about her. She looks just like any other model we see everywhere: perfect face, but arousing no feelings whatsoever. The TV Irina was a perfect fit in that sense: not just another pretty face, but a mysterious woman with a vulnerability and charm that would attract even a cold, unemotional spy.
Alleline and the inner circle are the characters that suffer most from the short running time. There is no depth to any of them. The TV series had the luxury of giving those 20-minute interview scenes with Smiley and each of them separately, fleshing out their personalities and motivations.
And of course the happy, jingle bells-y final scene ruins whatever the movie achieved up to that point. Feels totally wrong.
I don't blame the actors, particularly Oldman and Hurt. They're among the best today, and the others are pretty good actors, I've seen some of them in other movies giving wonderful performances. I can't blame the source material either, of course. But somewhere along the production, something messed up. Perhaps they should've been content to make it a 3-hour film, demanding the audience to spare an extra hour and rewarding them for it.
Never be complete.
As Control remarks to Smiley; "I need more time". That sums up, almost in toto, the problem with the film vs the series. This novel could not possibly have made a happy transition to a two-hour film, and even at three--though preferable--much nuance would have been lost.
Agreed--Hurt and Oldman are standouts, and much of the supporting cast, with a few exceptions, was competent. But after seeing the miniseries with its astounding performances, one finds it hard to settle for mere competency even if it's spearheaded by a couple of undisputed first-raters such as Oldman and Hurt.
50 Is The New Cutoff Age.
That's the thing. Even with names like Oldman and Hurt, the film can't rise above average. The series, on the other hand, would still have been great even without its star attraction, Alec Guinness.
Never be complete.
A couple of times I've amused myself trying to picture one of the other cast members of the mini playing Smiley instead of Guinness. I have to admit, though this has yielded some interesting ideas (and a few hilarious ones), I can never manage to successfully visualize any of the others in the part--though Hywel Bennett may come the closest, lol.
50 Is The New Cutoff Age.
I can only agree with the general feeling on this thread that the TV version was cast better (and/or the cast was directed better).
Of course once you're very familiar with one take on a character it's very difficult to accept anything else as valid, and I've only read the book once a long time ago so I don't know how faithfully eg Connie is represented in each.
But regardless, Beryl Reid seemed to me to present a very poignant and memorable character. Kathy Burke played Kathy Burke.
It's a while since I watched the film – for one thing it was just too annoying to watch more than a couple of times – but in general the TV version sets high standards which the film simply failed to challenge for one reason or another.
The film just doesn't give enough time to Ricki and Irina for them to develop in the way that they do in the series. Still, it's hard to imagine Hardy matching Bennett's portrayal of Tarr's essential smirking nastiness – and that surely loses one of the themes of Le Carré's plot which is the tension between trying to uphold moral principles whilst relying on useful amoral scum. It's even harder to imagine Svetlana Khodchenkova doing a comparable job to Susan Kodicek in capturing Irina's disillusionment, desperation, faith, dignity and amusement.
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I'm especially puzzled though by the OP mentioning the schoolboy as an example of the film doing the casting better. The role barely amounts to anything in the film anyway, but it seems the clearest example of the actor simply being wrong for the part.
In the TV series Roach is maybe a bit of a geek or misfit, but he's also someone excited by the ideal of the honourable adventurer that he's got from books and looks up to Prideaux accordingly. It's natural for Prideaux to feel some affection in return, recognising his own past as a wide-eyed protegé (even though we might suspect that the boy has little of the potential for the life that Jim had). What the connection is supposed to be between the broken agent and the moon-faced twit who haunts his caravan in the film is anyone's guess.
I agree. The selection for Jim Prideaux was much better in the film version. Also, Ricki Tarr in the BBC version was unnecessarily intense. He didn't look like the type who would seduce Boris' common-law wife. As for Irina in the BBC version, please spare me. What does Ricki see in her? And what's this Scotland being the Garden of Eden? As for Connie Sachs in both the film and BBC, please spare me again.
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