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Trek 1 or Trek 5...Easier Movie To Ignore From Canon?


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The Motion Picture:
-Completely different uniform style
-More focus on characters that would never be mentioned again
-A threat that happens, never mentioned again

Final Frontier:
-Characters acting differently (like turning on Kirk, when they immediately went to his side in Search for Spock)
-Starfleet heads being useless
-Enterprise A being a mess (Sure it could be explained that it was because it was an old ship rechristened, but whatever)

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ST:TMP came out of the aborted television's Phase II. Gene Roddenberry's project.

Called the "V'Ger Crisis" in canon.

Very failed franchise. Gene Roddenberry's death, along with his wife Majel Barret. They had a Shinto wedding in Japan.

G.R. was more enthusiastic about Firefly and other projects.

What are you attempting to ask/say?

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I ignore Star Trek 5 completely; it's the only DVD of the original crew series I don't own or want. I've always liked the very first movie, and like the Director's Cut even more.

Everyone else may be an a**hole, but I'm not! - Harlan Ellison

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I myself think that Star Treks One and five should be ignored.

However, one of my favorite Star Trek movie lines is: Why does God need a Starship?

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The Okudas made a lot of mistakes in their Chronology and Encyclopedia. For example, placing Star Trek: TMP in 2271. Kirk's five-year mission ended in 2270, and 18 months have passed between that and the V'Ger crisis, so that would place TMP in 2273.


The Okudas had the five year mission end in 2269. A later retcon in one of the last voyager episodes had the five year mission end in 2270.

The Enterprise was being rebuilt for 18 months before Star Trek: TMP. Kirk had been Chief of Starfleet Operations - and had not logged a single star hour - for about 2.5 years before Star Trek: TMP.

18 months after January 1 to December 31, 2269, is July 1, 2270 to July 1, 2271. 18 months after January 1 to December 31, 2270, is July 1, 2271 to July 1, 2272.

2.25 to 2.75 years after January 1 to December 31, 2269, is April 1, 2271 to October 1, 2272. 2.25 to 2.75 years after January 1 to December 31, 2270, is April 1, 2272 to October 1, 2273.

Of course there could have been an unknown interval of time between the end of the five year mission and Kirk becoming Chief of Starfleet Operations 2.5 years before Star Trek: TMP, making the movie happen later.

Of course the biggest mistake the Okudas made in their chronology was accepting the impossible arbitrary dates for TOS and TNG that Roddenberry and Arnold had decreed, instead of calculating the possible date ranges for various episodes and movies first and then picking dates that fell within the possible date ranges.

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Kerrydavis wrote:

DS9 was apparently taking place more than 50 years after Excelsior class ships had become common, and the Enterprise C class ships had come and gone. Yet the Excelsior-class Lakota was still in service in DS9 season 4, seemed to have a pretty serious mission for an "antique," and did not appear to be a 50-year-old ship anyway.


That the Excelsior-class Lakota still existed and had important missions, 50 years after the Excelsior class started, still seems to leave open the possibility of previous designs still being made occasionally, to serve functions that didn't require top of the line performance.


DS9 season four was probably a few years after "Unification" in the fifth season of TNG. "Unification" was said to be "eighty years" after Star trek VI: The Undiscovered Country".

Sulus had been captain of Excelsior, the first Excelsior class ship, for three years by the time of Star trek VI: The Undiscovered Country". The Enterprsie-A was decommissioned soon after the ending of Star trek VI: The Undiscovered Country". Sometime later the Enterprise-B, another Excelsior class ship, was commissioned, 78 years before Star Trek Generations which may have happened before the time of DS9 season four.

The Excelsior class seems to have been in service for 80 or 90 years by DS9 season four.

Kerrydavis did not exaggerate the history of the excelsior class.


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The plot of Star Trek: The Motion Picture is probably the least scientifically dubious of all Star Trek productions. The main problem with integrating it into the rest of Star Trek canon is the way it sometimes seems to contradict more scientifically dubious aspects of the rest of Star Trek canon!

Here is a link to a thread where I discuss one scientifically problematic aspect of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079945/board/thread/263855542

Here is a link to a thread where I discuss a canon problem with Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098382/board/thread/263853491

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