I watch the movie again after many years. There is an issue that's bugging me. When George C. Scott pays to watch an underground snuff film can anybody tell if the girl in the film is supposed to be his daughter? The girl is wearing a hood and when this is pulled out it is hard to tell. Was she doing S&M films and was just a fake snuff movie? Did I missed something?
shareJake Van Dorn (played by Scott) asks to see the film because he believes it features a woman named Kristin - his missing daughter's name. When he views the film at a screening, the woman isn't his daughter, though it's hard to see because she's wearing an S&M mask for most of the scene. Within the context of the film the killing(s) in the snuff film are presented as being "real", since Ratan is supposedly a major league bad guy who can get away with this stuff.
Having reached the end of the film, Van Dorn is relieved to find that the actress who has her throat cut onscreen by Ratan is not his daughter, but his anger and (self-)disgust at this turn of events is what spurs him onto beating information out of his contact to help him locate Ratan straight after.
During this scene, where the snuff film is shown on a Super-8 (8mm) projector, as the film is silent, a tape is played along side it for accompanying music. I really like the song (er, I think it's Spanish or Brazilian or Columbian). Does anyone know what that song is called?
shareI don't know a thing about the song offhand, but the snuff film George watches was quite disturbing in its own way, without being graphic at all. This film was truly ahead of its time...
"Cain and Abel will go to Heaven... if they can make it through Hell!" -Los Hijos Del Topo
I know the words are Conto Amor or something like that, I doubt any respectable Latin Artist would not allow any of their songs to be included in this scene. It sounds like something you would hear in Tijuana. I noticed how they dressed Ratan just like Fernando Montalban dressed in Fantasy Island, he probably wasn't happy about that.
shareThe FBI says they've never found a "Snuff" film in all their
years of investigating porn. It's an urban legend.
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As the scientist said, a negative proof is no proof at all.
shareMaybe not snuff films per se, but during the ****** War, many "snuff" videos were made. Mostly they were little more than videos shot by undisciplined rag-tag troops of both sides doing atrocities, each outdoing the other.
A good reference to begin with would be "Gods of Death" by Yaron Svoray, ISBN 0-684-81445-5
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117883/board/thread/48774943
This should answer your "are snuff films real" question.
"Because he's John Doe by choice!" --- Se7en
No snuff there.
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur5447903/ratings
I've read Svoray book and while I think some parts of it are inspired by true events, I think the majority of the book was exaggeration.
Without spoiling the book: the conclusion and the Russian mafioso and the piano playing? Yeah, it's good fiction.
Keep in mind what Sagan(or it may have been Timothy Ferris) said...
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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You, Mr Neville, are the refuse of the past. You are discarded!
People make child pornography for commercial reasons, and terrorists reguarly make and release propoganda videos of them torturing and murdering people in increasingly horrifying ways not to mention the myriad of other videos released showing horrible tortures and murders and other incidents from Saddams private police cutting people up alive to Mr. Hand getting accidently sodomised to death by a horse. With all this available, I would find it hard to believe no one had ever made a snuff movie. There were also video taped rapes and murders beinig sold in the former yugoslavia and Chechyna, but these were again related more to war/genocide activities, rather than commercial sexualised murder for an audience. The thing is, considering how many serious laws, and the toll it would take on immersering yourself in that world, its unlikely anyone will go out of their way to actually find it, or be able to find it with the intent of exposing it. You could say that law enforcement would have found it by now, but as everyone knows, they do a pretty lax job enforcing the laws on easily identifiable crimes.
shareThe FBI is not the place to asking if there is a small underground market for Snuff films. Some people pay a lot of money to get these and keep there names out of it. The person to ask is Andrew Vahccs, a child-Advocate in NY and sadly aware of the deepening of depravity. He had been social worker, but what he saw made him quit being a social worker to become an attorney who's only clients are children. Then he saw things that were so much worse than he could have imagined.
Chances are that the person who pays is not in the system and those who literally shoot the film are off the grid.
One of the posts in this thread mentioned FACES OF DEATH, and that movie (and follow-on versions) were widely banned for quite some time, perhaps as late as the late 1980s.
Sometime in the liberation of Kuwait from the invading Iraqui army, a famous photographer took some photos of the remains of the last convoy to leave Kuwait, which was bombed by the allied forces. One of those photos (apparently from days after the bombing) showed a pretty graphic photo of the remains of a dead soldier in a truck, (unrecognizable), in the magazine AMERICAN PHOTOGRAPHER, and that photo was extremely controversial at that time, even to the point the magazine might not survive its publication. The information along with the published photo detailed how technically difficult it was to capture that particular image, and that was the reported reason it was published, rather than any sort of political statement... (the magazine is still being published)
So, it seems publishing any sort of death photo has been, and generally remains a subject in bad taste.
Another movie-within-a-movie-"snuff-flick" is in 52 PICKUP which was done to frame one of the characters. BTW, the victim of a gunshot killing was an early appearance by a pretty well known actress.
Another movie that was universally banned at the time it was made is IN THE REALM OF THE SENSES, and it was based on a true story from Japan. That film has a clear sexual component of a murder, plus other objectionable sexual subject matter, but it is now a Criterion release in both DVD and Blu-Ray, but it IS a movie.
As far as filming a murder for ANY reason, that would be EXTREMELY bad for pretty much anyone that worked the film (minimally accessory to first degree murder), and anyone that ever handled the film/video, as accessory after the fact. There could also be conspiracy charges involved/added depending on the level of involvement...
Even with all of that said,
the recent movie FRUITVALE STATION(2013) was based on the killing of (an already subdued, and unarmed) rowdy teen by a California B.A.R.T. officer, and the cellphone video of the encounter, showing the actual killing by the B.A.R.T. (Bay Area Rapid Transit) officer.
(The officer has stated he intended to pull his TASER instead of his pistol, but even that appeared to be "excessive force", since at least three other officers were already holding the teen flat on his face, on the ground, before the officer pulled his weapon.)
That video was shown on the TV news, with a warning the images would be difficult to watch, and disturbing. The officer is being tried for the killing.
(BTW, the B.A.R.T. officers have far less power to arrest/detain people than city police officers, (limited to only the transit system, I believe...), and have less strict requirements and training...)
Now, (July 2014), there is a roughly 4 minute cellphone video (longer?) showing a NYPD officer using a prohibited chokehold on a larger man, and portions of that celphone video have also been broadcast. The New York medical examiner has officially ruled the death as a homicide (murder) from the chokehold, and that NYPD officer has presently been forced to turn over his badge and gun, other officer(s) at the scene have been put on desk duty, and are also under investigation, and 4 emergency medical response people that apparently did not render aid to the man before he died, or try to revive the man afterwards have also been removed from their jobs. With the finding of "homicide" as the cause of death, the prosecutor may present the case to a Grand Jury, who could find there is enough evidence to charge the Police Officer with murder/manslaughter, and send the case to a formal trial, (not done yet...).
My, what a difference a few decades, and new technology make...
The FBI says they've never found a "Snuff" film in all their
years of investigating porn. It's an urban legend.
Yes I've heard that over the years as well, matter of fact there was a film called "Snuff Film" or something like that, couldn't find here on IMDb
There's a few called just 'Snuff', all fakes of course. There's also a documentary about it called 'Snuff: a documentary about killing on camera.'
It all comes down to what your definition of a snuff film is I think. To some, it HAS to have a sex act to be considered one. I disagree, as the term to 'snuff' a person is only to kill someone, nothing about sex in the name at all.
So if you believe, like I do, that a snuff film is nothing more than a real killing on film to make a profit from it later - then yes, they are very real (war footage, faces of death, etc...)
If you think it's about someone murdering another person and being excited sexually (either the murderer or the viewer), then they're an urban legend... if that makes sense.
"Layered. Like Nachos. Exponential growth yo." - Jesse 'Jackson' Pinkman
Well the one I recall was back in the late 1970s or 80s with that title.
They had the trailer playing on a monitor outside the Theatre at the time.
No way was I going to waste money seeing this junk.
i personally think it exists..it just hasnt surfaced yet. I mean the what ive seen thats fake is ebough to make me think that someone could easilt be capable of making the real thing.
Not in the porn genre but Jack Ruby shooting lee oswald was the first live murder.
The next was the release of the Zapruder film on Gerendo Revolver on wake up America where JFK gets his brains blown out.
"A secret service agent (Clint Hill?) who was in the car was heard to shout "HE'S DEAD!" - Walter Cronkite
There are snuff films all over youtube. They are called "Apache Kill Videos" but since they depict American warheads blowing up unidentified targets from afar, nobody calls them snuff.
But think about the reason people watch them.
no difference.
ISIS has produced quite a few, but these movies serve political propaganda purposes. It would be more accurate to state that "no snuff movies have been made for profit". This is not surprising; even assuming that there are people who are ruthless enough to consider making them, the associated risk cannot possibly be outweighed by their extremely poor profit-making potential.
shareThe FBI says they've never found a "Snuff" film in all their
years of investigating porn. It's an urban legend.
Why would they? I think the murder department might have more chance.
That was a disturbing scene--at first I assumed it was his daughter.
There is a documentary called the True Story of the Roman Arena--it mentions that among the various kinds of violence conducted in the arena (especially the Flavian Amphitheater which could house up to 80 000) was re-enactments of mythology. One such staging involved procreation between a bull and human prisoner. I have trouble seeing how such a thing could be staged but according to the documentary it was--and resulted in the death of the human--so that would be an early "snuff" film act--bestiality additionally. It was also said that prostitutes camped in the entrances of the coliseum because the violence was sexually arousing for at least some spectators.
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I just watched Hardcore recently for the first time. My take on that scene was simply that the father was being shown an example of what can happen to a girl who's gotten involved with Ratan and co. It upped the stakes, they needed to find the daughter before she ended up in a snuff.
shareHe went to see the film not knowing exactly what he'd see, and wondering if he'd see his daughter in the film, and get a new clue as to here whereabouts. Instead, he saw a movie with a different actress, who was killed onscreen. He later says so. When trying to track down Ratan, he shouts that he just saw a film where a girl was murdered and he needs to find his daughter right away.
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