I think the word "Iti" is pretty obviously dubbed. It sounds a bit off, and doesn't sync with his lips (though I can't lip read what he actually says). I'm guessing it was originally a more pejorative term for a person of Italian descent. Anyone know for sure?
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Interesting -- thanks for that info. I'd actually never noticed what Cyril says during the race, even after multiple viewings.
Agree with you that it's better that much of the pejorative stuff was toned down.
I think Dooley's lips are saying a certain anti-Italian slur that rhymes with "Drago." Maybe it was dubbed because it made Dooley's otherwise-likable character seem like an unsympathetic Archie Bunker type.
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Huh, I'll have to check that out. Yeah, D ago would probably be a bit too harsh for mainstream to hear and accept, to still like the guy.
Iti definitely doesn't pack the same negative punch.
My last name is Urciolo and mom's maiden name was Stanicci. So - obviously, I'm an American of Italian descent.
I have NEVER been offended by the words, "wop", *beep* or "guinea." For some reason, Iti (pronounced EYE TIE) offends me! If my life depended on it, I couldn't tell you why.
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Interesting stuff! I never heard those other put-downs by Quaid or Stern. Probably from watching it on bad equipment, including the theater.
Do you think that's why they portrayed Team Cinzano as such total creeps? How I was furious when the guy did that bike pump thing! I figured it was just the movies. But about a year later, I was in a citizen race triathlon, doing the biking leg. When we handed off to the runners, i heard some guy bragging how he nailed another guy on the helmet with his pump for not letting him draft or something.
I called him few choice words and told him he was compensating for a small d***. Call me naive, but I still think basketball should be a non-contact sport.
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Interesting stuff! I never heard those other put-downs by Quaid or Stern. Probably from watching it on bad equipment, including the theater.
That must be why they had Dooley saying ridiculous things about Italian cuisine: "It's all linguini, fettucini...I don't want any 'ini's' in my house!"...it's pretty bad when you discriminate against food!
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I love that part - shows his frustration with Dave, and the foolishness of it all.
shareSo true! I don't think he has anything much against Italians or Italian culture, just against a kid who won't get a job and "come home miserable", who listens to opera, shaves his legs and kisses the postman! Though, if I'd been a parent back then, I'd have been ecstatic about my son's cycling! It's what my "grown-up" friends were already doing. Better than hanging around, fighting with college kids and brawling in the local pubs (thought that was a fun scene!).
That was one part I couldn't identify with: my university never had that hostile attitude to the "townies", nor even any rivalry. I think it's different in the Midwest.
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I agree. I think that it was just that. The father was watching Dave live in his fantasy-world, while squandering opportunities that he never had. I'm sure that it's frustrating.
I went to college in the northeast, in a small industrial, working-class city. We never really interacted with the locals, and kept to ourselves. It was probably safer that way.
I went to college in the northeast, in a small industrial, working-class city. We never really interacted with the locals, and kept to ourselves. It was probably safer that way.
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Drafting is common in bicycle racing. It is illegal by the rules of every triathlon that I have heard of. I don't approve of whacking a guy with your pump, but I can sympathize.
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It is not unusual for professional athletes, or bicycling teams to behave creepy towards riders who are not members of the team. They don't need to be Italian, or ride for an Italian team to be creepy.
At the professional level, as Team Cinzano certainly was one does not need to be Italian to be on the Italian team. Team members are likely to learn Italian in order to speak with other team members as fast as possible.
Also, Italians have been known to take their cycling very seriously. I think it was in the 1976 Giro d'Italia that a Spanish or French rider was leading the race near the top of a mountain stage. An Italian was in second place. A group of spectators ran onto the course as the non-Italian leader slowed on a steep spot. They yanked him off the bicycle, knocked him around some (my source said they 'beat him up'), and threw his bicycle over the edge of the road. The Italian won the stage.
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The fans can be quite rabid too! You probably remember the Tour de France debacle, when a man rushed out of the crowd and knocked the about-to-win cyclist, who was Belgian (?) off his bike!
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There have been a few incidents like that. You an I both started riding after this movie, I think. So, you probably remember that other American back then who won multiple Tour de France championships. Nobody used exotic, hard to trace drugs, though his racing career was interrupted by getting shot in a hunting accident here in the states.
On Greg LeMond's first race for the yellow jersey his team mate, who had promised to support him, split the team by racing against LeMond instead of providing that support. LeMond won anyway and Hinault took second. I think Hinault retired later that season and Greg was wounded in the Fall. When he came back to cycling it was for another team. But he went on to win two more tours. He is also more than a little annoyed with Lance Armstrong.
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He didn't say Iti on the soundtrack. Whoever dubbed in the line said I-tie. Although Papa does say Iti, or Itey, several times throughout the film. Too hard to read his lips to make out what he actually said his son had turned into. It was funny how he mispronounced arrivederci in the same scene; comes out sounding like arridaverci. Hard to believe Paul Dooley wasn't nominated for an Oscar for this role, though. The REFUND! scene alone is brilliant and indelibly etched on the minds of anyone who has enjoyed this movie.
shareThat's what the OP meant, I'm thinking. Eye-tie
I saw the movie on first release at the base theater on Clark Air Base. I do not recall Paul Dooley saying anything other than "Itey."
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I only remember him saying "I-tee" (or however you spell it phonetically). There was also the slamming of zucchini and any Italian foods, ending in "I don't want any ini's in this house!" lol
Does he also criticise the cat's new name, Fellini, in that outburst?
Yes, the "REFUND!" scene was hilarious, but sad. He's also great when he warns Dave's friend Moocher not to finish his sentence, "Hey, I didn't think people your age could--", at the dinner when the parents announce that another baby is on the way. "That sentence may be your last!"
Paul Dooley also made a great dad in "Sixteen Candles", especially in the scene when he consoles Samantha (Molly Ringwald) for forgetting her birthday and the fact that she thinks Jake doesn't know she exists.
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I saw the movie in a theater on the "big screen," in 1979. It may be a post-production voice over, but it is not "dubbed" in any other sense. He said "Itey" (eye tye) several times throughout the movie.
As well as I can remember growing up in the sixties "Eye tye" was considered rude, but not pejorative. I suspect it was picked up by GI's serving in Italy during and after WWII.
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And Barbara Barrie says “Try not to go Catholic on us.” Lovely. 😛
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