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Coppola's claim that Brando showed up completely unprepared is a MYTH


Francis claimed Marlon was grossly overweight when he was more around 35 lbs. overweight at 5′ 9″ and somewhere over 225 pounds (this is clear in the movie).

He claimed Brando hadn't read "Heart of Darkness" -- Joseph Conrad's novel on which the film was loosely based -- when actually Mar read the novel (he had multiple editions of it in his 4000-book library). He intentionally shaved his head to fit Conrad’s description of ivory trader Mr. Kurtz as “impressively bald.” To be fair, Coppola said in an interview that Mar didn't read the book or shave his head until the end of the first week. Which account is true? I don't know.

In any case, Brando prepared for the film by reading other materials: The real-life account of CIA operative Anthony Poshepny, who worked with the Laotian Hmong in the hills to combat the NVA and used psychological warfare tactics like dropping severed heads into enemy locations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Poshepny); The Pentagon Papers that were available at the time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers); writings by philosopher Hannah Arendt and anthropologist James Frazer; “Hollow Men” by TS Eliot, which featured first-hand accounts of the American Vietnam mission; and more.

The fact is that Coppola relied heavily on Brando for the crucial last act of the film, as supported by letters between the two, audio tapes of their discussions and the testimony of screenplay reviser & narration writer Michael Herr and Coppola biographer Peter Cowie. Marlon actually concocted a lot of the brilliant lines of his character; this is something Brando was famous (or infamous) for doing with his characters on set.

If all this is so, why were we told otherwise? Simple: Francis required a scapegoat. At the time the director was world-renowned and had won 2 Academy Awards, but in the Philippines making "Apocalypse Now" he was in over his head, which was verified by the crew and the media (see the excellent documentary "Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102015/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0). You'll remember that Coppola famously said at Cannes that the production was akin to its topic, the Vietnam war, wherein they all slowly "went insane."

Brando as an easy target for Francis since he was an eccentric loner and not a fan of fame, notoriously choosing to exploit it for personal profit and social causes. Mar made $3.5 million for a total of about 25 minutes of screen time and Coppola likely resented it.

So Francis absolved himself thru Marlon. He knew that Hollywood begrudged Brando and would eat-up the tale while Brando wouldn't contest it. Marlon avoided an open altercation in favor of writing Francis in private to convey his displeasure over his scapegoating account of what went down (keep in mind that Coppola didn't know at the time that "Apocalypse Now" would go down as one of the greatest films ever made). Understandably, in Marlon's 1994 autobiography, "Songs My Mother Taught Me," he didn't speak very respectfully of Coppola. This is why.

For more details see this article https://www.huffpost.com/entry/brando-v-coppola-debunkin_b_5587675

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I saw Hearts of Darkness, about the filming of Apocalypse Now. If there weren't issues with Brando, Coppola sure faked it well.

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I never said there were no issues with Brando (there usually were since he was a creative, individualistic powerhouse); rather, I detailed how it's a myth that he arrived on set completely unprepared. He had a lot to do with the depth and greatness of the final act and Coppola relied on him to deliver the goods; and he did.

Remember how Coppola pointed out in "Hearts of Darkness" that he always thought John Milius' original ending was weak because it didn't top the helicopter raid on the village. The answer Marlon & Francis came up with was to go heavier, darker and moodier. It was the only way to match the greatness of that earlier action sequence -- take an altogether different route.

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This has to be a troll of some kind. Have you ever watched Apocalypse Now? Brando is CLEARLY a land whale in the film.

From what I have read / heard, the original scripted ending was entirely different, but Brando was too fat and out of shape to pull off the scenes as written.

So Copolla adjusted and reshot the ending on the fly, dressing Brando in all black instead of military fatigues and focusing on closeup face shots to play down how fat he was.

At the time, Brando's role was the highest paid acting gig ever. He was not paid that much to loaf around and read poetry, he was originally supposed to be doing a lot more.

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Like I said, he was 5'9" and maybe around 225-230 lbs. This is clearly observed in his clearest sequence (the only one where he appears in broad daylight): https://binged.it/3agO99K This is a far cry from being a "land whale."

I plainly pointed out above that Milius' original ending was very different, but Coppola confessed in "Hearts of Darkness" that he always thought it was weak because it didn't top the air-raid on the village sequence. So Francis & Brando put their heads together and shot for a heavier, more haunting last act; and succeeded.

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2h38m of redux - he's a fucking whale, film doesn't lie:

https://imgur.com/a/zdbdM4B

Maybe it all turned out for the best - I like the film, but I don't understand why anyone would try to claim Brando didn't show up unexpectedly fat and out of shape. That was the primary motivation for changing the ending - they HAD to.

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Actually Brando didn't have to be thinner to play the role of a jungle paramilitary leader in his mid-50s, since such a person would have his minions doing the footwork. It's not like overweight paramilitary types are out-of-the-ordinary, especially those in their mid-50s. So it wasn't their primary motivation for changing the ending at all.

Besides, Coppola was aware of Marlon's weight issues since he weighed the same or more in "The Missouri Breaks" (1976). Simply put, it wasn't necessary for Brando to be 180 lbs. to effectively play the role of Kurtz, which is why Francis didn't fire him and hire, say, Jack Nicholson (who was one of the secondary candidates for the role).

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How would he be gaining all that weight living deep in the jungle?

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I guess you didn't see the cow-slaying at the end, huh? There's plenty of food available in the jungle and the Montagnards knew how to find it & prepare it for a smorgasbord. Plus, like I said, Kurtz was the leader and therefore didn't have to do the menial work. The movie showed him lying around a lot, reading, ruminating and quoting poetry & other lines. Lastly, he was overweight, not grossly obese.

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He was well over 30 pounds overweight. Either way, if he had made an agreement to come in at a certain weight, then not doing so is unprofessional. It doesn't matter if you think he didn't need to be thinner or if they managed to work around it. He was being paid millions of dollars to work for the director.

Coppola certainly had his own issues. Weeks turned into month after month and he was trying to figure it out as he went along, but at least he was putting his own money and time where his mouth was. Any failure was going to hit him the hardest.

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Well, as the employer and head-honcho of the production, Coppola could've fired him, but he didn't. Why? Obviously because it wasn't necessary to be 30 lbs lighter to fulfill the role. Furthermore, Brando got paid so well because he was a major league actor and proved it to Francis by knocking it out of the ballpark 6-7 years prior with "The Godfather." Since Coppola had worked closely on set with Marlon earlier he knew precisely what he was getting when he hired him, a flawed-but-creative powerhouse. Also, Brando contributed a lot to the final act of the picture, as noted in my original post, which includes his brilliant ad-libbing, such as:

"And I thought, my God... the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure."


Marlon had an eating/weight problem, which was no secret by the 70s when he was in his 50s, as witnessed in "The Missouri Breaks" (1976). In the 60s this personal issue didn't matter because he was still relatively young and always able to slim-down before a movie, as observed in "The Night of the Following Day" (1969) where he never looked better. But "Apocalypse Now" was ten years later and Francis knew what he was purchasing -- a likely-overweight but still killer-creative Brando.

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It is hard for me to believe that Brando would arrive unprepared. People probably tend to believe this because of the bias that the overweight are lazy.

Coincidentally I came across a great YouTube clip of Brando on the Johnny Carson show shortly after the MLK shooting in 1968. Brando READ the commsion report on the shooting and had the book in hand for the interview.

The link does not work, just search Brando Carson and it should come up. You can really get a sense of Brandos unusual high intelligence in the interview which last a good 15 minutes.

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Not only was Brando getting paid at least $3 million for this gig (he ended up making $3.5 million), he knew at the time that he was considered one of America's greatest actors -- if not the greatest actor -- and that his future livelihood depended on him delivering the goods in this grossly over-budgeted Coppola blockbuster (https://www.nyfa.edu/student-resources/12-massively-budget-films-every-film-producer-can-learn/). Only a clueless fool would arrive on set completely unprepared, which Brando obviously was not.

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Really? Brando was ALWAYS unprepared. There wasn't a single script he memorized.

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Brando did show up unprepared for Superman(1978)

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Did he deliver the goods are not? (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078346/mediaviewer/rm188393985/?ref_=tt_md_2). Besides, what's it take to prepare for a role like Jor-El? Read a few old Superman comics and you're good to go.

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"Old Superman Comics" there still making them also Gunn has used a variety for his Upcoming Superman(2025) film.

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The context is when Brando prepared for the role of Jor-El in 1977. He'd have to read the origin of Superman or flashbacks to it, as well as "World of Krypton," which was originally a back-up feature in Action Comics or Superman. That's why I phrased it as "old Superman comics."

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Fascinating thread Wuchak.

I thought Brando was good. His extra weight was not an issue for me.

Kurtz was treated like a God by his renegade army. It is believable that a man in such circumstances would gain weight.

Brando was a method actor and he believed the first take would usually be the most sincere. Not necessarily the best take but often so.

That is why he would not read novels, entire scripts in advance. It was part of his technique.

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Early on in his career, he said he noticed fellow actors pacing on the sidelines memorizing their lines to a 't.' When it came time to shoot the scene, they had lost their edge. Brando learned to save his mojo for the only part that matters in acting -- what you do when the camera's rolling.

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