Ideas Star Trek: The Next Generation stole - Space Battleship Yamato (1979) Discussion

[–] slinter 19 years ago

Hologram room? Angry young man who blames the older Captain? Fantastically smart but socially inept robot that can disassemble and still operate? WHAT ideas from SB?

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[–] bagelj 19 years ago

I think you got what I mean..

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[–] shaun-kanak 18 years ago

They also mentioned "tachyon particles" in the episode that they first revealed the Argo (Yamato).

I would say there are a lot of Battlestar Galactica parallels too. i.e. a battleship with fighters making an impossible trek across space while fighting a relentless enemy with unlimited resources.

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[–] smarieru 18 years ago

The holodeck on ST dates back to the animated series from much earlier in the 1970's, so it may pre-date Yamato/Star Blazers. However I tend to agree with a lot of the plotlines, especially the STIII thing.

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[–] bagelj 19 years ago

I also seen a Star Trek episode where an old man with mind powers distroyed an entire planet with his mind. He vowed never to use his mind powers again.
Sound familar?? Yup, that idea was stolen from Star Blazers: The Comet Empire Series.

Then there was a Star Trek episode where a star-class ship was named "Yamato"..

Hmm....

Then an episode where the Enterprise was stuck in temperal space (frozen in time) and could not get out of, among hundereds of ships who perish in that area. Yup.. Starblazers did that too.

Data and IQ-9 were both robots of technology trying to search for "human feelings". Though Data was a cliche of many old sci-fi short stories in the 1960s/70s of robots inspire to be human.

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[–] CharlieX2 19 years ago

You DO realise the one in TNG was named after the real ship, right? :P And the old guy didn't just kill a planet, he wiped out an entire warp-capable civilization with a single thought, and he still used his powers afterwards since he used them to create the illusion of his home and wife, and used it to create a fake husnock vessel to attack enterprise to try to chase them off.

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[–] bagelj 19 years ago

I missed that.. I have to review that episode again. (said painfully watch it) I thought that TNG episode was not good at all.

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[–] tom-insley-1 18 years ago

They also stole at least one cast member from "Star Blazers"; Ken Messeroll, who voiced Derek Wildstar, appears as "Ensign McDowell" in the TNG episode "The Next Phase".

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[–] tad-32 18 years ago

In the TNG 4th season opener, Best of Both Worlds Part 2, the Enterprise fires a burst of energy from it's main deflector dish in order to destroy the Borg. Everyone thinks it will work. It fails of course.

Sounds like the idea was borrowed from Comet Empire season, during which the Earth Defense Fleet's attack on the Comet Empire with the massed wave motion gun barrage at the end of the Battle of Saturn.

The destruction of the entire Earth Defense Fleet thereafter, leaving the Argo the only fighting ship left to counter the Comet Empire also sounds suspiciously like what happened in The Best of Both Worlds Part 2.

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[–] umfoldumfold 16 years ago

I disagree, creatoro'. Though some ideas are natural and will be thought up eventually anyway credit deserves to go to the ones who used them first. and TNG did seem to use A LOT of Star Blazer ideas.

The episode from Comet Empire I'm watching right now Star Blazers is trapped and time is speeding up. A guy just saw plants growing super fast. Just like in TNG when the bowl of fruit goes rotten in a matter of minutes.

There may be an earlier use of such a anomly in space - but there are enough such cases involving Star Blazers and TNG to warrent mention.

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[–] JesuslovesU 16 years ago

Robotech: The Earth defence force fires a large cannon at the enemy; it wipes out a small group of ships: the result was not so good for Earth.
When I first watched SB again I noticed the holodeck.

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[–] umfoldumfold 16 years ago

Just watching the first season again I was struck by how many ideas seemed to be copied. But not just Star Trek TNG - Star Wars as well. The cartoon came out in 1974 in Japan.

RD-D2 is almost an exact rip off of IQ-9 except for IQ's arms.

Deslock - tyrannical leader who killed underlings who displeased him. Not that it's an original idea - plenty of real men did that - but it's very Darth like.

The idea of having 'air craft carriers' in space. Obviously with the first Star Trek space laser battles were nothing new but small fighters? Star Blazers first I think - Star Wars second.

I was really amazed at how mature the story line was. I mean, it's not really good or anything. But compare it to what American cartoons were like back then - Spiderman Spiderman, does whatever a spider can - Star Blazers was like Shakespeare compared to that.

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[–] xenophile2002 16 years ago

Deslock - tyrannical leader who killed underlings who displeased him. Not that it's an original idea - plenty of real men did that - but it's very Darth like.

Ernst Stavro Blofeld from the Sean Connery James Bond movies.

R2D2 had a different color scheme, couldn't disassemble himself, and didn't speak. And of course the arm thing.

- Aging is a physical problem, and physical problems are amenable to engineering solutions.

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