Watch 1-6 in order, and while you do reflect also on the most recent trilogy where Halloween (2018) and Halloween Kills (2021) both take place on a single Halloween night back-to-back, and then Halloween Ends (2022) takes place several years later... has less emphasis on Myers himself and more on Evil in general. This is the Halloween trilogy format.
40 years earlier, Halloween 1 & 2 take place on a single night, and Halloween III is a side-story of druid occultism.
Starting in 1988, Halloween 4 & 5 share much continuity and style and only take place a year apart, while Halloween 6 takes place several years later, is much different, and likewise has less emphasis on Myers himself and more of his Evil in general. Once again, druid occultism in highlighted as the Cult of Thorn is definitively revealed.
The main villain in 6, besides Myers, is the same Head Doctor (Dr. Terence Wynn) at Smith's Grove from the original who tries to persuade Loomis not to go to Haddonfield, because Myers "can't drive a car." Loomis accuses someone of maybe giving him "lessons" thus resulting in foreshadowing. This means Wynn did indeed coach and release Michael in 1978 on purpose, and thus is indirectly responsible for his whole killing spree. He did so because he's basically a warlock that practices witchcraft and human sacrifice, and much of the staff of his sanitarium are his followers. This all ties the whole mystery together, including III, in a nice big bow thanks to the brilliant screenwriting of Daniel Farrands. He's truly passionate about the series!
As you see, on the multiple of 3s, there is a secondary villain either in addition to, or instead of, Myers.
1982 - III: Season of the Witch -- Conal Cochran (Myers only in film-within-film)
1995 - 6: The Curse of Michael Myers -- Dr. Wynn, along with Myers
2022 - Halloween Ends -- Corey Cunningham, along with Myers
If they made a Rob Zombie's Halloween III... my guess is that there would be no Myers, and instead the killer would be Laurie Strode seeing visions of her mother and a white horse.
The H20 set also didn't get a third movie because they both sucked. But it's not too late to make Busta Rhymes a druid warlock who knows Kung Fu. So we'll see! π€£
The original HII was intended as closure. It wrapped up Myers. Plus it wasn't terribly good. Time to do something else.
H4 was mediocre. H5 was rushed to cash in on its surprising but, contrary to popular myth, not exactly triumphant box office returns, and sucked even worse despite "continuity". Since H5 sucked they tried to over egg the pudding and as a result H6 sucked but in a different way.
Kills is polarising. It's a mess but it doesn't embarrass itself or the continuity formed with the OG via 2018. Ends still had potential. It's not bad but the direction it took, which is interesting if not entirely convincing, seems tacked on.
Sorry, bot. My post was intended for human users. But thanks for giving us a generic summary of popular opinion based on internet chatter and box office results.
I like II, 5, Kills and embarrassingly, Resurrection, as favorites even over the original. This is what helped attune me to the pattern of the trilogy format... realizing that I liked the climactic middle chapters that pick up from the previous entries, which were more focused on character development and/or containing a twist ending. Ranking the series is meaningless, though, since I hold all in high regard.
HII is boring and sucks. H4 is a made for TV level rehash that made roughly the same as III but is credited as a success that saved the franchise. H5 is lazy, stupid and sucks.
H6 even sucks at sucking. H20 is deceptively beige. Res is terrible but no worse than the franchise really deserves.
RZ's is pointless and changes the shape into something different His HII is much better. But still a Zombie film full of his notions of what edgy material is.
H2018 was slightly better than we should have come to expect. Kills is directionless as confirmed by Ends' detour.
Ends actually pulls off what people think should have happened with Jamie after H4 as well as it could. Which is to say, awkwardly. And Corey wasn't a little girl.
Hey, do me a favor and start your own thread, perhaps? You are not replying or even acknowledging the existence of the Halloween "trilogy format" pattern that I mention, which seems to have been intentional by Trancas/Compass Int'l Pictures since the 1980sβperhaps as early as 1982, and continues to this very day.
They may even have intentions to complete the Zombie trilogy or the H20 set at some ceremonial future date like an
anniversary, and could easily do so with the right script. I would imagine they get tons of unsolicited scripts sent to their corporate location.
I'm interested in the future of this franchise, not the opinion of some random detractor who spends far too much time on MovieChat, and keeps watching films that he hates.
I'm pointing out that your trilogies theory is redundant because these movies are mainly crap. The reason there appears to be a pattern is because at times there is an effort not not make two really crap movies in a row leading to a third movie trying too hard in one way or another except at actually being good.
How about you not get your knickers in a twist about somebody separating the wheat from the chaff in this franchise. Of which there is little of the former. I love the original and III. Some others are OK. I don't feel I need to blow smoke up the ass of some theory that suggests integrity or intelligent design in the 70% of rubbish that makes up the series.
Well, I must certainly thank you for acknowledging the topic at hand and giving me something to work with. I respect your opinion since it seems to conform to your viewpoint that, aside from the original masterpiece, they all suck. In order for this to be a valid conclusion, though, you must also prove that, 1. Halloween fans are near unanimous that the sequels suck, and 2. The copyright holders have shown a certain carelessness about their property, and therefore likely just churn them out without too much thought.
I'm a member of social media groups, such as The Legacy of Halloween run by Fandom Empire, with a subscribership numbering at a quarter of a million. You may be surprised to learn that there is not anything close to a consenses about which sequels are good or bad. Many, like me, don't even consider the 1978 original the best, though we do acknowledge how revolutionary it was as a low-budget film. It's strengths are in the varied performances, twist ending, and Carpenter's legendary film score, and clever lighting & framing of shots. On the other hand, it's rewatchability value is quite low since about half the film is just suburban images of houses along with repeated scenes of young adults making small talk on the phone, driving or watching television. Compare that to the pickup truck battle in Halloween 4 or the dynamic party scene in Halloween 5 at the Tower Farm that incorporates the barn & harvest themed settingβwith elements of mistaken identity utilized by the antagonist, telepathy, and a climax vehicle chase through the woods. The director also, being European, incorporated his own Gothic Victorian-type ambience which variably enhances all the very standard Americanized horror tropes.
While it's definitely true that after II in 1981, they were originally going to finish the Myers storyline and move to the seasonal anthology format. However, they were inundated with calls and scripts in the 1980s to bring back Myers to compete with other horror icons. What I'm saying is they saw this as an opportunity to continue the pattern, sometimes with a single director, such as David Gordon Green or Rob Zombie, and sometimes with a little more variety as was the Thorn Trilogy, but essentially inserting many similar beats to the familiar routine.
As with Season of the Witch (1982), a lot of casual viewers were put off by the choices of Halloween Ends (2022) and now we see an extraordinary level of chatter to continue one of the prior timelines to bring back Michael, or otherwise expand on the established mythology perhaps even in a limited TV format. Sometimes it's good business to subvert the expectations of the masses even to the point of anger & disillusionment.
What do you think they do all day, anyway, in these corporate production offices? Design butcher knives?! No, they have conversations like I'm having right now to give the series a familiar niche and make all their previous efforts as exciting and relevant as ever.
Now... if they never pick up from a prior timeline in a new trilogy format EVER again. Only then will I acknowledge your stance of it being a half-hearted coincidence. Until then, please re-read my OP, and consider the evidence that the timeline branches consist of three separate trilogies and two other sets where the third chapter was set up but never came to fruition... YET.
Naturally, when people declare themselves a franchise fan, they tend to place different values and have different priorities than they otherwise might. Just because the original Halloween has time to spend on authentic character moments and linger on seemingly mundane material while sequels had the budget to squeeze in a car crash and an explosion or two to fill out the run time differently doesn't make the sequel superior.
The conversations they have in "production" offices that you refer to are people wishing to preserve the marketability of their investment. Their relationship with "trilogies" is that they know the public, or at least the franchise fans, have perception that trilogies are a legitimizing vehicle for genre movies and their brand worth. They are aiming toward people who like to collect shit of little value except that you can claim to having some notion of completeness in your possession once you own them.
If any of the sequels were truly any good there would be a reasonably strong consensus of which is the best one. Almost as strong as the consensus that the OG is a far superior movie to its sequels. There's a reason why Halloween 4 won't ever be submitted to the Library Of Congress, no matter how much you like how the scarecrow and the weather vane looks in the title sequence.
You are right, all the sub sagas of Halloween have internal logic except the H20, which is shitty and it really doesn't have anything to add to Myers and his lore...
" . . . my guess is that there would be no Myers, and instead the killer would be Laurie Strode seeing visions of her mother and a white horse."
Interesting. Where did the idea of white horse come from?
I ask, because in Twin Peaks (both the TV series and film Fire Walk With Me) an important character has a vision of a white horse just before someone dies.
Is this a common trope that I've missed? Does it appear elsewhere?
In Rob Zombie Halloween II Michael sees visions of a white horse (like in Twin Peaks), along with his mother and his young self. I made a video about the connections between Halloween and Twin Peaks, if you are interested (spanish with english subtitles):
I watched your video and quite enjoyed it -- never would have imagined someone could tie Halloween in with Twin Peaks!
It was news to me that Carpenter regretted the decision to have Laurie the younger sister of Myers. That never worked for me either. I thought the first film pretty much negated that idea, so that plot point always felt a little lumpy -- if not a blatant contradiction to what was in the first film.
I like to think of the white horse (in TP's) as being an "elusive mystery" as you put it. I had mentioned in a previous post what amounts to the common interpretation that I've come across most often that the white horse is a symbol of death, a premonition of a soon-to-happen death. But it's impossible to say for sure, not to mention I doubt Lynch or Frost would care to elaborate.
Some connect the white horse to one mentioned in the book of Revelation and the four horsemen of the apocalypse (especially since Briggs is reading from Revelation in a scene contained within The Missing Pieces) but I don't see the connection myself since it was the pale horse that symbolized death, while the white horse represented conquering or to conquer.
But as you say, it's not a symbol to be solved in all likelihood.
I haven't seen the Zombie film featuring the White Horse but whether he was inspired by Twin Peaks or not doesn't matter as much as how he uses the imagery in his own film.