Cruisin in the Car


Annie picks up Laurie at 6:30 to drop her off at Tommy who seems to be living somewhere in the neighbourhood. It's still daylight when they leave, but pitch dark when they arrive at the house. Why did it take them so long? Now I don't have a problem believing that some American teenagers in the 70s would go cruise a little in their car, but at no time do they mention this. And would they really drive around for an hour just to smoke a joint? In that case, why would Laurie bring along her pumpkin?

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Well, in the fall it gets dark earlier, so that could explain it. Plus, they stopped to talk with Sheriff Brackett for a few minutes. Now, that I think about it, though, at the beginning of the film, Tommy runs up to talk to Laurie, but later on, Annie has to drive her there. Just a goof, I guess.

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But when they talk to Sheriff Brackett it's still very light outside. Then they drive away with Meyers following them and only then does the sun seem to be setting. But in the very next shot it's pitch black! As you mention as well, Tommy seems to live near Laurie, so they wouldn't need to drive that long. Perhaps a goof, the script doesn't suggest anything was edited out.

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Yeah, you're right, now that I think about it. Who knows? They could've stopped someplace else on the way there for gas or something.

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Also note that the Sheriff doesn't smell any weed after Laurie rolls down the car window and the Sheriff bends down and almost has his head in the car.

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Yes, that wasn't believable at all. You can smell that shit across the street. Maybe he had a sinus problem.

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Nope. You are assuming that Laurie turns the corner from her house and bumps into Tommy immediately. Like it''s a cut in real time. If you look carefully you'll see that the directions that Laurie turns make that impossible.

Who said that Annie, who doesn't live on Laurie's stret, "has" to drive there? I know people that want to drive their trashcans down to the kerb.

Try and remember that a low budget film cannot spend days and days shooting only at dusk just to get a couple of minutes of screen time. They did their best with taking one camera and sound guy riding in the back of the car as the sun was going down.

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The film is not supposed to be interpreted as reality. There are jumps and cuts and transitions. If we had to watch the entirety of Halloween in 78 it would be a lengthy movie. What did Laurie do in-between the scenes where she's questioned on fate and she's walking home with Annie, how'd she get out of the classroom?

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You're misunderstanding me. In no way do I interpret this movie as being in real time. My point was rather why they would be driving around in the car for an hour if they were on their way to Tommy who seemed to be living down the street.

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Why would I "nitpick" about them living close to the Wallaces? That's not an issue, the issue is that it apparently takes them an hour to get there.

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Perhaps or perhaps not, it would've been nice if it had been clarified.

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We are not given the factors to answer that question because it is irrelevant to the story. I knew a few potheads in high school and they would drive around smoking pot. Maybe they smoked another joint, it simply is not part of the story.

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A movie does not just consist of "relevant" information. There are also circumstances, backgrounds, details, etc. that have to make sense. If you're going to show one character picking up another character and dropping them off down the road, it does not make much sense to have it turn into night from one shot to the next. If, as you say, other information is not relevant to the story, then why even suggest a passage of time? It seems to me the director did this for a reason, but I'm not sure what.

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Huh I've never considered that before or looked so carefully at the times...

I think in filmmaking terms the sudden cut from daylight to darkness is one of the more crucial deliberate decisions in the whole movie. The night is suddenly upon us like a silent killer, and a layer of safety is suddenly ripped away. It forebodes the inevitability of what's to come, and that you can't and won't be ready when it happens. It's the major psychological shift of the film. You're a victim of that cut in terms of suspense, like being pushed into a lake while you're testing the temperature. You won't be allowed to ease into anything from now on. We intuitively understand it to mean that now shit is going to go down. Pretty cool how just a simple cut to night can make the audience sweat, and pretty brilliant directing.

In terms of story logic it could be that their drive became a little more non-linear as they got more stoned, as it often goes, and they spiraled off into misadventures or a long conversation or got a little turned around or something, and in the meantime the sun set. Where I live it has pretty suddenly started turning much darker much earlier, and with a very quick transition, and it's only early October. (I live pretty close to where Haddonfield would be.) It could also be that it's meant to insinuate the time distortion that can come with getting high. But then we could also ask why it is that no one seems particularly stoned at any point in the movie, (maybe just a little bit in that one shot when they stop to talk to the cop dad,) even assuming they only split one joint a few ways, let alone imagining they rolled another. I've never really thought about that either. So they were stoned while being stalked and chased by MM. That kind of changes things a little. Hm hm.

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It could also be thought of as sort of a filmmaking equivalent to the supernatural element of MM's immortality and omnipresence. Even if you don't consciously identify the time discrepancy like you did, subconsciously we feel that something unnatural and perhaps supernatural happened to the ordinary flow of time.

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Leaving aside that it should be almost pitch dark at 6:30, who said they drove direct to their babysitting gig?

And why wouldn't the drive around for 30 mins to an hour chatting and smoking a joint?

Why does normal teenage behaviour need to be explained to you within a film before you accept it?

How come your face looks like that?

Why are your shoelaces untied?

What's that smell?

etc. etc. etc.

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"who said they drove direct to their babysitting gig?"

Nobody in the movie said they did or didn't. That's my point.

"Why does normal teenage behaviour need to be explained to you within a film before you accept it?"

Don't be such a crybaby, dude. I have no idea why you take my comments so personally. This has nothing to do with normal teenage behavior. The issue is two girls leaving for a babysitting gig down the street at daylight and arriving when it's pitch dark in the very next shot. Anyway, you don't know the answer either, because you also have no clue whether they actually went cruisin for an hour. Thanks for trying...

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I'm not taking it personally. I just find it odd when people complain about a lack clarification about something when there isn't clarification to the contrary to undermine the logical conclusion.

You are basing your confusion about what's happening on screen on an assumption that you didn't have to make about what might be happening.

Like if you wake up in the morning and there's snow on the ground that wasn't there, you wouldn't question that it had snowed in the night, even if no snow was forecast.

Yes we do have a clue that they drove around for a while. We are shown them driving around a small town for more than ten minutes of (condensed) movie time.

Here's more clues. The girls arrive at their babysitting jobs at seven, when the wallaces leave . Annie picks Laurie up at six thirty. (pay attention to the dialogue). You could make three or four full circuits of a small town in that time. (You can drive direct between the cities of Glasgow and Edinburgh in just over half an hour).

In fact as soon as Laurie gets in the car Annie hands her the joint and remarks that they should have enough time. We can assume that the arranged time to pick Laurie up was already enough to get to their babysitting gigs on time, so Annie is clearly referring to additional time for.

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I was not "complaining", I was wondering what the implication was.

"We are shown them driving around a small town for more than ten minutes of (condensed) movie time." 

That's not what I saw. I saw Laurie getting into the car, Annie lighting up a joint and them talking a bit until they arrive at the store, talking to Annie's dad and then them driving away followed by Myers. The problem is that it's pitch dark from one scene to the next. There should've been a transition into dusk and different editing to show a better passage of time. If there's no clarification than the sudden change stands out.

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There is a transition. It's the best they could do on their budget. If you close your eyes at night then see that it's light when you open them, do you need a transition from dark to light in order to understand that some time has passed?

It's moot anyway since the dialogue tells us explicit how much time they actually spend in the car.

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I'm pretty sure that at night I know I'm going to sleep, so I know time will pass. The problem here is that one girl picks up another girl to go babysitting down the street and all of a sudden it's pitch dark when they arrive, without suggesting why it took them so long.

No moot point, because it doesn't really matter how long they were cruisin in their car. The fact that it's just 30 minutes makes it even more problematic because there's no way it gets that dark in just 30 minutes, especially without any transition of dusk shown.

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"The problem here is that one girl picks up another girl to go babysitting down the street"

That's basically a false assumption.

"The fact that it's just 30 minutes makes it even more problematic because there's no way it gets that dark in just 30 minutes..."

And this is just factually incorrect.

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The "false assumption" is the fault of the director because he doesn't suggest they were going to do anything else. Like I said in my OP, I can imagine them going cruisin, but it's not due to the director doing a great job at conveying that. Maybe they went to the store, like someone else said? Or would that be a "false assumption"?

If you look at how light it is at 6:30 and how dark it is an half hour later, without a transition into dusk, then I'm not factually incorrect at all.

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The half an hour time frame to get from one house in a small town to another (or "just down the street " as you put it), and the joint they were smoking and the unhurried demeanour. Annie's dad being surprised to see them near the hardware store "Aren't you going to be late?"

All of this things suggest driving around. The scenes of the girls driving around taking right turns all over the place (I'm sure a little town like Haddonfield doesn't have a one way system) confirms it.

What thing does the movie tell you which suggests they are doing nothing but driving direct to the Wallace house?

2If you look at how light it is at 6:30 and how dark it is an half hour later, without a transition into dusk, then I'm not factually incorrect at all."

You've clearly not been paying attention to the movie. There is a dusk transition shot. On then 31st October where I live, it's light at five thirty and dark at six. You are factually wrong to insist that it cannot be.


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"The half an hour time frame to get from one house in a small town to another (or "just down the street " as you put it), and the joint they were smoking and the unhurried demeanour. Annie's dad being surprised to see them near the hardware store "Aren't you going to be late?""

One problem with that scene. If the hardware store is that far away that they had to hurry back and it's pitch dark when they returned to their own neighbourhood, then why was it still light when they talked to the dad?

There is no actual dusk scene, only the sun starting to set after they left the hardware store. Which is even weirder since it means it took even less than 30 minutes for the sun to completely set.

"On then 31st October where I live, it's light at five thirty and dark at six. You are factually wrong to insist that it cannot be."

Haha, so it's factually wrong because YOU insist it is? Maybe you should pay more attention to real life. Where I live the sun starts to set at least an hour before it's totally dark. If it's pitch black at 7, then it should be dusk at 6:30, WAY darker than it is in the movie.

I just checked out the script, by the way, and that whole segment plays out differently and shows a better passage of time (it's actually dusk already at the hardware store).

Like I said in my OP, I can buy them driving around just to smoke a joint, but as evidenced by the replies, this could've been portrayed much better.

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It naturally gets dark quickly on Halloween.

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Seems more like supernaturally!

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To add just a bit to what I posted earlier...

There are a lot of decisions throughout the movie that evidence that this is intended to be much more of an expressive film than it is a realistic and logically water-tight film. Michael surviving being stabbed and shot point blanc multiple times and falling out of a second story window is the most obvious supernatural element, but throughout there's no end of highly stylized, unrealistic directorial moves designed to give it a quality of being like a bad dream.

Right away the opening scene sets up the rules that the whole thing is playing by, including this sudden jump to night: We're in first person view in that initial continuous shot, crossing the street and so on, but the Panaglide is giving things a ghostly floating quality, rather than a realistic uneven first person gait. It's an intentional move to suggest supernaturalism. Once he's inside, his sister's boyfriend comes down the stairs and would see him standing there holding the knife, but doesn't. Then the next major decision to look at is that, if you focus on the path that Michael takes through the house on the way up to his sister's room, on the way back down, there is actually a trickily blended jump cut that gets us right to the stairs, skipping half the travel time through the house.
Then where little Michael is standing on the sidewalk holding the knife and his parents pull up and are just looking at him, everything is frozen in a stage-play sort of way as the camera cranes up over the scene. Everything about this sequence is very artificial, with little sneaky moves throughout that are likely to be consciously missed, but are building up a subconscious sense of something being off, a little bit dreamlike and wrong.

(cont'd...)

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(...pt.2)
There's always talk of this having been a very punk renegade little production on a shoe-string budget by new filmmakers in a short span of time, but consider that John went to film school. One of the best film schools at the time actually, and based on interviews it's really clear he is thinking about all of these sorts of things very deliberately, and also that he makes his films for visceral sensory impact and feeling above all else.

So I'm feeling pretty strongly that there's not a goof in that transition to night. Based on all the evidence I see, having that sudden plunge into night was more important to John for its psychological impact than resolving any of the blurriness of exactly what happened in that span of time, and at the same time, leaving that detail unresolved, but giving us enough that in the moment most people will be willing to suspend disbelief in assuming *something* happened there. Meanwhile as we've moved on and are consumed with what's happening next a bit of a dissonance in there being something off about the transition remains, and it's, in keeping with other decisions throughout the movie, a little supernaturally off, a little dreamy. I'm thinking it is a stylized decision.

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The script mentions that it's dusk during the hardware store scene, so it seems Carpenter did originally tend to show transition into darkness.

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That's true, but as with any creative process, things will tend to change from preplanning to execution as new ideas develop and you see how things shake out in the process. Some of the most iconic movie moments throughout film history have been improvised by actors, were mistakes that were liked better than what was in the script, decisions changed on the fly on set when what was intended wasn't working as imagined, and maybe most of all bold moves made in the editing room. I really do think this is one of those instances.

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I think that's a too convenient explanation. This is a pretty straightforward teen slasher, not a thought-provoking piece of high art. We do see the sun starting to set before the total darkness shot, what stopped Carpenter from doing it earlier? Dusk looks actually pretty creepy and ominous in itself, so it would've been a great effect.

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You're right, the right use of a dusk scene could have been effective too! I still think sneaking it up on you quickly was how he decided he wanted it. At some point in the process at least, even if final editing. Because, exactly, what would have stopped him from doing it earlier? And I'll say for me, the sudden transition is very effective. I remember when I first saw this as a kid I got a pang of anxiety and my pulse sped up as soon as it cut to night. It feels like, I thought I had some time to procrastinate the inevitable but now I'm not safe and it's going to happen now.

I admit you could be on to something that it was just something overlooked and lost to the deadline.
Sometimes though it does happen that an unthoughtful move post-rationalized and then integrated into the final cut becomes then a decisive choice, and certainly what we have to work with in analyzing the results - though pulling up the discrepancy in the script there is something to definitely consider too!

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It's definitely true that there ARE some technical goofs in the movie, like presence of camera shadows in a couple spots, etc, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. It's possible that the hardware store scene had been fully intended to be a dusk shot but for time reasons or something they couldn't make it happen, and had to roll with it, (though it's a little hard to imagine they wouldn't have been able to find a single day on the whole shooting schedule to get that shot, and imo even harder to imagine that if he really wanted to, could have inserted a general scenic dusk transition shot, say two seconds of a sunset,) but maybe it ended up that this fueled the inspiration to make the sudden jump to night or something of that sort.

Often pre-digital and especially on a tight timeframe, directors would shoot as much extra coverage as possible and hope they had what they needed to craft something coherent in the editing room and we know that JC shot extra coverage, including radically different takes of critical scenes. The most famous example is that he had Donald Pleasance do one take of his reaction to seeing Michael disappeared at the end shocked, and one like "I knew this would happen", and then found afterwards the the latter was the one that worked. It could even be that they did get a dusk shot at the store and then ditched it, or any number of other possibilities. There was a good deal figured out along the way on Halloween.

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Or you could pay attention to the dialogue.

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You mean that based on the dialogue it took only 15 minutes for it to turn from daylight to pitch dark??? Yes, thanks for pointing out that the goof is even worse!

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It's 6:30 pm right now on October 15th and it is almost dark here in Canada. No way that scene was shot at 6:30 pm.

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The problem with this scene is that it should have been darker at 6:30pm on October 31st when they started the drive. You can see from the scene at the graveyard that it was not actually shot at 6:30pm on October 31st. A continuity problem.

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Yes, that's definitely not correct.

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Another continuity problem: when Laurie and Annie are walking home from school there is little wind. Then Laurie goes upstairs and you see the curtains and sheets outside on the clothesline blowing.

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Just found this factual error on imdb

Due to Daylight Savings Time, it would be dark when Annie picks up Laurie. In 1978, clocks were turned back the last weekend in October.

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Yeah, we have that over here as well. Very annoying!

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