I love the omen series. I think each one was more exciting than the last, but I never understood shy he kills his aunt at the end. This makes absolutely no sense other then ending the movie on a powerful note. Anyone have any theories?
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good point, she had to go, she would have been a real drag on him later on if she lived
shareDamien loved his cousin Mark and killed him, (of course he had his own nefarious reasoning for this) and he also had a loving relationship with Ann. Proof of this is when they were watching the old movie together and he had his head in her lap. It just goes to show how evil Damien was as 'The Antichrist' and that you couldn't trust him whether or not you were one of his apostles or not. Being close to him, didn't mean you were not expendable.
I always wonder with Ann's character, if she only made that last minute switch near the end to follow Damien, when she came to the realization that Richard was serious about killing the boy. There was no solid indication throughout the film that she was the devil's apostle......the ones that were, always came across as sinister and unctuous. There was also a scene when you can see how happy she is with her life, when you see her through the window looking at Richard and the boys, playing outside in the snow. She was a woman who was comfortable and her dismissive attitude towards Richard when things started to fall apart was initially denial and also the traits of a narcissistic personality. This wouldn't be uncommon with a woman of her social standing.
"There was no solid indication throughout the film that she was the devil's apostle"
No, but there are subtle hints if you watch it again. One telling scene is when Dr. Warren is showing her and Richard the slideshow of the Whore of Babylon, she has a very strange look on her face as she watches.
In the first film she would have been described as an apostle of hell, and she would have died before spilling the beans.
And even if she had, who would believe her?
If I can't smoke and swear I'm *beep*
She was getting in Damien's (and, as such, Satan's) way.
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Mark wasn't her son, he was Richard's first wife's (Mary?) son.
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"The end is where we start from." (Captain Jack, "Torchwood")
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I see what you mean, I've never thought of it in that way before.
Did Ann even realise she was a protector of Damien at that point? Not conciously I don't think. I think Damien, Neff and Buher probably had more idea of why she was heading to the museum than she did herself!
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Yes she was a protector of Damien, what I'm saying is that I don't think she realised conciously that she was, maybe right up until the point where she stabbed Richard. I think she was only conciously protecting him as a step-mum until that point.
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It's many years since I read the book, but I do remember it saying that Richard's first wife died in very unusual circumstances and then Ann conveniently happened to appear on the scene shortly afterwards.
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The powers that be, and I mean the producers/director wanted a big finale death, so this was it. A real disappointing end.
-If you have a job an illegal could steal, it's time to get a better job.-
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Dang, you're right, it IS like the whore of Babylon! I think the point about Ann leaving him at the ceremony is well-put, that probably put Damien in mind that she wouldn't be a steady pawn, and might block his path to the fortune.
shareI think that Ann inheriting all Richard's money and power would only happen if Ann wanted it to, she could easily just turn it down and turn it all over to Damien. Richards will may even state that Damien get everything and not Ann
Also, you just know that Richards first wife was killed by Ann in order for her to take over mothering Damien. I really wanted an implicit 'revelation' of that in the movie.
Fantastic sequel this movie is.
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I am reading the book right now. What it says about Richard's first wife is that she died in a strange car accident about a half a year or so before Damian came to live with them. So I'm not sure if she somehow had something to do with it or it was the Devil himself helping out.
The scary clown doll is hiding under my bed.
This must have been the period between Roberts death and Damien going to be with Richard, when he is being cared for by the president. During this period. Richards wife is disposed of so Ann is ready to mother Damien
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Nice post
But wouldn't it stand to reason that Ann MUST be there bring Damien up and protect him? More of Bugenhagens followers could try to murder him or get the truth to Richard, someone like Ann had to be there to deflect any criticism of Damien. Therefore unless Richards first wife was a devil worshiper, she had to be removed.
Joseph Howard probably included it in the book at the behest of the screenwriter who just couldn't fit it into the film
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Doesn't matter NYC, he still didn't look happy that she left. And it would help if you spaced out your paragraphs.
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It was supposed to be the film's big twist.
Ann was the nice step mother for the boys and wife for Richard. She supported them and was the voice of reason for most of the picture. When things started going haywire and crazy she tried her best to keep the boys and Richard in line, and she's very likeable (even more so than Remick's character from the first who I found to be full of herself at times.) When the twist came and it turned out she was the chief apostle that was the mole in the family it was a rather great shock twist. I think Grant does a great job here and it's prob my favorite role of her's.
I also seen on the novel discussion thread that After being possessed with the power like he was with Mark, he snapped out of it after causing the boiler to explode. He turned the sprinklers on and tried to save Ann, but he let it go for too long and she was done. He was sad for her like he was with Mark but he had to deal with it. I think they should have left all that in the film.
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Oh wow Lord of the Harvest, that's amazing to know!
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Meh, I like to think Ann always knew that she was Damien's protector.
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Her gastro-intestinal disorder was getting out of hand. Aunt Marion had to go.
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