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Is it just me or does this movie have no plot?


It's just 10 mediocre deaths loosely connected together. All the deaths pretty much follow the exact same structure too. There's maybe ooh 3 minutes of Damien realizing that he's the Antichrist (which contradicts the 1st movie where he already knew he was evil) and that's it. You could skip this movie and watch the third one and lose literally nothing.

"OH MY GOD, DAMIEN IS EV--" *dies*
"OH MY GOD, DAMIEN IS EV--" *dies*
"OH MY GOD, DAMIEN IS EV--" *dies*
"OH MY GOD, I AM THE DEVIL"
"OH MY GOD, DAMIEN IS EV--" *dies*
"OH MY GOD, DAMIEN IS EV--" *dies*
"OH MY GOD, DAMIEN IS EV--" *dies*
—Directed by Don Taylor—

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There's maybe ooh 3 minutes of Damien realizing that he's the Antichrist (which contradicts the 1st movie where he already knew he was evil) and that's it.
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Damien was just a little boy in the first one and the evil doings were brought about other external influences and forces, surrounding and protecting Damien. He wasn't really old enough to be aware of who he was; but he was being nurtured into an understanding of this—which is what DAMIEN:OMEN II is about.

The film is sensationalistic and the characters reactions to the understanding of who Damien is, before he realises himself, and then get bumped off is admittedly cheesy; but that is the gimmick of the OMEN films. This 2nd instalment is my favourite. It is slickly presented, well casted and reasonably acted. I find the films premise—of a 13 year old boy who comes to the realisation of he really is and how he accepts this knowledge—quite intriguing. He still has conflicted 'human' feelings and his love for his cousin Mark and the ultimatum he offers him before destroying him, is one of the best scenes in all the OMEN films...IMHO.

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How do you explain then Damien not saving his "mum" from falling off the stairs in the first movie? IMO the way he was and acted he knew he was evil. He was more evil in the first than the second.

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The original film likely did not plan for a sequel. So he may have known that he was evil, even as a young child.

A second possibility is that he merely did not care what happened to his mum, he was evil but did not KNOW he was the Antichrist.

A third possibility is that he 'was being controlled' himself. Because just moments before, we see Mrs. Baylock staring purposefully at Damien...like she was 'compelling' him or even 'programming' him.


I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
Didn't he discover America?
Penfold, shush.

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That doesn't imply that he had knowledge of being the anti christ.

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The film is sensationalistic... admittedly cheesy... this 2nd installment is my favorite.
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I'm watching this movie right now, Rascal. I've always enjoyed it. I really don't find it scary (except for the opener where those two men stupidly go about 2000 feet underground, trying to locate Hell itself, and find themselves buried alive. Brrrr...), but it's all kinds of fun. I suppose it's the epitome of why I seem to always go for the first sequel of the blockbuster. Jaws 2, Halloween 2, Friday the 13th 2, Exorcist 2, etc. The sequel almost always provides a kind of psychic relief from the intensity of the original. And this is never more apparent, IMHO, than in this particular sequel. I found the original Omen terrifying. But the sequel takes its cue from the spectacular "accidental" death scenes of the first one and runs amok. It's just too much fun, and it offers the incidental pleasure of making the Antichrist look about as scary as Lenny and Squiggy.

Though, William Holden and Lee Grant are quite good.

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"It's just too much fun"

I couldn't agree more. This film might not have the artistic oomph of its predecessor, but wow it is such an entertaining film, one of my absolute favourites of all time!

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Your description of "OH MY GOD, DAMIEN IS EV--" *dies* on repeat, is certainly true, however there is a lot more to this film bubbling away in the background (and foreground) for anyone who cares to think a little deeper.

What I'm referring to is covered many times on other threads (by myself and others) on this board so I'm not going to repeat them here.

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i agree with you guys. this is my favorite omen movie. i do like them all though.

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I've always felt the same way. It doesn't seem to really accomplish anything or advance the story in any way. The only thing accomplished is that he realizes he's the Antichrist.

One thing which may have made it feel as though it accomplished something in the advancement of the overall story would have been if he had started to put together a group of loyal followers in the end, setting up part 3 in which he has a large group of followers. But instead he kills that one lady who was his pawn, which never made sense to me.

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It has a plot.
It shows not only the progression of Damien's life and his realization that he is the Antichrist, but shows the progression of the evil BEHIND Damien.
His disciples.


"I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus."
"Didn't he discover America?"
"Penfold, shush."

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You could skip this movie and watch the third one and lose literally nothing.
Ah, but then you'd actually have to watch the third one, which is a complete piece of crap.



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Wait a minute... who am I here?

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The third is pretty bad, I must agree.

The only saving graces to it are the superb acting by Sam Neill as Damien, and the gorgeous cinematography.


"I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus."
"Didn't he discover America?"
"Penfold, shush."

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And the Jerry Goldsmith score (I think it has some of the best stuff he did for any of the 'Omen' movies). But yeah, it's really pretty bad.

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And the Jerry Goldsmith score (I think it has some of the best stuff he did for any of the 'Omen' movies)

Agreed.
I loved his scores for all 3, but the 3rd film did contain some extra-spectacular compositions.




I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
Didn't he discover America?
Penfold, shush.

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Ah, but then you'd actually have to watch the third one, which is a complete piece of crap.

So true...

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I think this movie has great character development for Damien. I don't remember Damien knowing for sure he was evil in the first movie. What I remember is all the bizarre events and deaths centered around the child so we aren't exactly sure if it's a coincidence or a deeper meaning until we saw the birthmark. I can see how him smiling at the end of the movie could hint he knows he is evil, but it never explicitly said that for sure.

In the second movie, he knows something is different about him and he isn't like any other human, but he doesn't know exactly what is wrong. The whole movie is based on this concept and you must've not paid very close attention if you only caught 3 minutes of that. Finally towards the ending he learns exactly what he is, comes to terms with it, and accepts it. The third movie does capture the ending of Damien's life, but I think it would've felt weird to go from 6 years old in the first movie to his thirties so I think the second movie is necessary to show what happens in his life in between those stages. I personally think this is the best movie of the whole series.

Death lives in the Vault of Horror!

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You could skip this movie and watch the third one and lose literally nothing.

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Except that the 3rd movie is awful.

But, yeah, you're right about this movie not having much of a plot. I was always too busy enjoying how ridiculous everything is to notice.

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