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edited Scene 41: The Speech (a/k/a The Story)


Thank you fellow BW fans for waiting so patiently. First of all, let me recap what I posted last Summer:

Back in the 80's, I brought this film to Omaha for a special showing. Somehow, I was able to get ahold of director John Milius for an interview. He also gave me Reb (The Enforcer) Brown's phone number and whenever I would go to L.A. we would hook up and talk a great deal about BW.

Anyway, I asked Milius what he thought of the final cut of the film (I thought it was brilliant) but he was very unhappy about 'the speech' being cut from the film.

I asked what that was.

He then proceeded to tell me about a scene that was written and filmed (during the party scene towards the beginning) where Bear (Sam Melville) sits around with a bunch of partygoers and one of the surfers asks him to relate the story of 'Big Wednesday.' Bear than goes into its tragic origins.

The 'speech' is one of the most moving pieces of material ever written; it explains the whole meaning of the title (no, it's not just a big wave, it's much more, it tells why Bear is like he is, etc.) and the ignorant bastards at Warner Brothers cut it (at that time, Milius did not have final cut approval).

John was then gracious enough to send me the original script written by he and Denny Aaberg, which I still have. The scene is in there, intact.

And here it is. This scene was supposed to take place right after Mrs. Barlow tells Jack to turn the music down and to keep Crusher off her coffee table and right before Masochist is getting basted in the kitchen.


41. Ext. Patio

Bear. Chubby and Boogie are sitting cross-legged around the patio along with Sally, Mitch, Denny and Flea. Boogie plays his guitar and Chubby and Bear stuff themselves with hamburger. Mitch, in a drunken stupor, sits in a deck chair near the barbecue. Denny, Flea and Sally gather around Bear.

Sally
How big do waves get? They said you’d know.

Bear’s mellow expression changes.

Bear
I’ve seen death waves 60 feet high.

Sally
Wow.

Chubby
Eh, Bear. Tell her the story about Big Wednesday.

Bear
Naw... You know, this reminds me of the first dinner
for the Big Wave Riders, remember, Chubby?
Thanksgiving 1956.

Chubby
Yeah, I remember. We thanked Christ that the waves
didn’t eat us alive.

Jack walks up and sits down next to Sally.

Sally
(to Bear)

I’d really like you to hear your story.

Bear softens.

Bear
What story? — I don’t know.

Jack
Tell it Bear, I want Sally to hear.

Bear sits back against the fence.

Bear
Boogie, give me another beer.
It may not be the same — it changes
each time I tell it.

Boogie hands Bear a beer and everyone becomes quiet. Bear looks over at Jack and Sally as if wanting to communicate the story to them.

Bear
(continuing)
Well, back in the Islands there were a
small group of us that used to ride big
waves on the north shore — we were a crazy
bunch of bastards — fools. We rode places
no one had ever ridden before — sometimes
things got really hairy — we were a strange
breed — when we rode Waimea the first time,
Simmons was quoting Shakespeare in the lineup.

(he seems to be far away,
trying to remember the quote)

Anyway — the day you wanta hear about was
in ‘58.

He takes a long pull on the beer and looks out over everyone and begins.

Bear
(continuing)
It was Woody Brown and another guy —
they were best friends — a friend
meant a lot to you then — especially
when it was only the two of you in big water.
Woody and his friend were riding Sunset Beach
— nobody knew much about Sunset then —
It was getting late and the waves were running
about 10 to 12. The sun was almost down
when it started to happen.

More surfers move in quietly, sit down on their haunches and begin to listen to the story.

Bear
(continuing)
A huge set — coming from the horizon —
the lines long and black — must have been
18 to 20 feet — they paddled for their lives.

Denny and Flea look at each other wide-eyed.

Bear
(continuing)
Up — up the first waves — they cleared easily
but the next waves were bigger — they paddled
over these and from the tops of them they
could see no end to the set — just towering
black walls shutting out the horizon.

Bear’s expression is deep — fanatical — a mixture of awe and remembered fears but his voice is measured — forced to control.

Bear
(continuing)
They paddled over sets of 25 raging —
or 30 — waves bigger than anyone had ever
been in — out past the lineup — the whole
coast was closed out — the water churned
with black rivers from the riptides — they
had no choice but to paddle down to Waimea
where there might be a chance to get in.
Waves were hitting the cliff and splashing a
hundred feet high.

(he motions with his hands)

They were tired when that set came — I don’t
know how big it was — they paddled up over
wave after wave — 35 to 40 feet high. Death waves.
Woody couldn’t take it anymore — his arms had
turned to rope — he turned to his friend and
said, ‘F u c k it, let’s drown.’

(he hesitates; his voice grows quieter)

His friend was tired too — he didn’t care if
he died either and so he didn’t stop Woody
when he spun around and took off — the friend
paddled out to sea in the middle of the night —
it was pitch black and he was paddling over
60-ft waves and could hear them break behind.
The Coast Guard found him the next morning —
two miles off shore — out of his mind.

He stops, drinks.

Sally
What about the other one — the one that rode?

Bear
He should have made him go on — they never
found Woody — never found his body — just
pieces of his board.

Chubby
Big Wednesday, 1958

Bear
Yeah — well — it always happens on a Wednesday.

Sally looks at him and then Jack.

Bear
(continuing)
Come on, Boogie — play another song.

Boogie picks up his guitar and starts playing slack key music, soft and tropical.

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As I mentioned earlier, I remember Milius telling me that they did in fact film this scene; hopefully, it's laying in a Warner Brothers vault somewhere and maybe someone can 'rescue' the footage and restore it someday.

Stay casual, everyone.

Patrick Stibbs
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Thank you so much, Mr. Stibbs. A truly intense scene that must have seemed even more intense when spoken by Sam Melville, a gifted yet sorely underused actor. Of all the scenes to cut, this one shouldn't have been. Hope we get to see it some day. Thanks again.

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You're welcome, jervistetch. Again, sorry for taking so long to post it. You know, I found out Milius is back on the Warner Bros lot - or at least he was a couple of years ago when they announced he was remaking Conan the Barbarian. I wonder if he could get his hands on the footage if it still exists? I'll see if I can try and get a hold of him through a mutual friend. Someone once told me - it may have been Reb Brown - that the scene was intact when BW was released to foreign markets but that's just conjecture at this point.

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I swear they've aired part of that scene- the first few lines. Dont know for sure though, but I seem to recall that.

Anyhow- if you want to know the origin of that particular story you have to look into the deaths of Bob Simmons and Dickie Cross (two unrelated incidents.) Very Familiar stuff. I love it.

Only the dead stay seventeen forever.

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Oh shoot- the night part. Either Hackman or Jock Sutherland paddled out at Waimea (maybe big sunset?) on acid at night. Cant remember which of them it was though. Shoot- doesn't really matter- they both are legendary.

Only the dead stay seventeen forever.

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And Waxer dressing up as a gay guy for his army physical was all Hackman too- though I'm sure it was done a thousand times in that situation.

Only the dead stay seventeen forever.

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Hakman, I mean.

Only the dead stay seventeen forever.

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Aaberg & Milius seem to have based it on the story of Dickie Cross and Woody Brown; according to Mickey Munoz, in '43 the two were out at Sunset riding with the sets getting bigger and bigger and then Sunset closed out. It was breaking on all the phantom reefs way outside and they didn’t know what to do, they figured couldn’t get in at Sunset. So they figured Waimea was their last option, so they paddled from Sunset to Waimea. Woody saw a set coming and paddled out and Dickie thought he could make it in since he was a really good surfer and paddler. Woody said that was the last he saw of him, the set broke and he knew he didn’t make it through. Of course this was in pre-leash days and I believe they found part of his board.

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Classic story. I believe Woody Brown tells that story in an interview on an old (c. 80s) documentary called "Liquid Stage".

Only the dead stay seventeen forever.

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Toby, do you surf? If you do, I really envy you. Of the sports I wish I could have somehow mastered, that's the one. It's inspiring just watch people surf. However, living in Nebraska, the waves just don't get that high. :)

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I just got out of the water a half hour ago. Yeah- I try to get in the water every day- either surfing or paddleboarding, swimming, skin diving or paddling canoe. You really should try it once. Waikiki is the place- no wetsuit, lots of room, gentle waves. Aloha- Toby

Only the dead stay seventeen forever.

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Toby- This sounds pretty obvoius, but is the break "Jocko's" on the North Shore named after Jock Sutherland?

I've surfed it a couple of times. Once close to perfection, it was 4-6 ft and just peeling.

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Yes. Jock grew up surfing there because he lived right there with his mom, Audrey Sutherland.

Only the dead stay seventeen forever.

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Interesting screen name.

Only the dead stay seventeen forever.

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You are forgetting the obvious but unstated punchline to the story - the "other guy" that Bear talks about in the third person is of course Bear himself, a fact revealed near the end of the film. (when they condemn the pier?) Milius speaks occasionally about this scene that was cut, and points out that the two surfers were in the Marines together as well as being surf brothers... so the bond was doubly tight. And the true story it is cribbed from did concern two WW2 vets. Here, he switches it to Korean war era in order to compress the time. Visible in the surf shop scene is a picture of Bear in the military, presumably with the buddy, and if you look close you can also see Bear's framed medals in the background - a purple heart and a Bronze Star. There is also an offscreen line somewhere (watts riot scene?) that mentions Waxer is in "Bear's old unit" of the Marines. It is a shame these scenes were cut, but still it's a great film.

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Oh, that's what he says in that scene? Huh. I always thought he was saying something like, "Barsol", maybe a name of a base or something over there. "Bear's Old Unit". That makes sense.

I would've loved to see that scene. I would PAY to see that scene. I'm a South Shore surfer, and the few times I've surfed North Shore I was TERRIFIED, so that speech really resonated with me. LOL. Reminds me of the time I decided to try surfing Sunset Beach, then after I got out to the lineup I discovered I was actually at Pipeline. Needless to say, the waves destroyed me. Fortunately the waves were just a couple feet overhead. Those surf spots really should have a big sign that says, "Here lies Pipeline. Sunset is THAT WAY, moron."

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There was a story similar to that related in "Riding Giants"

A navy guy I think in the 40s or 50s died that way.

I love Milius's stuff. It always smacks of reality!

Sad story.

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Wondering if there is ever a chance that the rest of us BW fans can ever see this script... My boyfriend and I, who grew up in San Diego and love this film, would love to know as much as possible about this original story. I am sure everyone on this board would as well.

Bravo to you that you posted the speech -- it is the nature of the love of the beach and the waves. Thank you.

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It's also well known that John Milius wrote Quint's speech in JAWS about the torpedoed USS Indianapolis, and all the sailors who were eaten by sharks waiting for a rescue ship that didn't know about their secret mission. This passage has a similar feel to it, and would have been as well-remembered had it not been cut out for "not advancing the plot." Again he's writing about a character who is seemingly crippled on land but in his element at sea - just as Matt is shown limping on and off the screen at the opening and close of the film.

The other unspoken point is that the "big gun" Bear is shaping throughout the film is a specialized board that is capable of CATCHING a big wave. The simple boards that the real ill-fated duo had back in the day were unable to be paddled fast enough by anyone to surf Waimea or Sunset on a "Big" day, and that's why one of these pioneers drowned - yes he was tired, and yes he was unused to huge waves but he also lacked the equipment to physically make it into the wave at the speed needed to glide down it...

After the tragedy and regret of his true friend's drowning, Bear spends the rest of his life mentoring to Barlow and company in order, not to keep surfing himself, but to gain the skills to redeem someone from such a situation, should it arise again (and knowing that it would, given time.) When he passes the board on to Matt, and Matt uses it to ride the big one, he's redeemed himself at least partially from the failure to save his friend.

That's why he tells the boy "Naw, I'm just... a garbageman." Bear no longer has to consider himself a combatant in the game - he's come home from his voyage, finally, in a spiritual sense after Matt uses the board, and his friends use their loyalty, skills and courage to save him after a wipeout.

Matt passes the board onto a gremmie and you get the feeling he is now the old man of the beach, just as Hank Worden's character may have been a mentor to Bear, who is heard early in the film giving props to someone who seems like a nut case. (Worden is famous as a member of John Ford's stock company, and was MOSE HARPER in The Searchers.) He's here as Milius' hat tip to Ford's cinema, and as a Shakespearian figure, like King Lear - the old man who loses his mind after giving away his fortune to uncaring children, and wanders "between the winds" like Ethan Edwards. This is Bear's fate, and will be Matt's in turn as suggested by the cackles he gets in the theater when his old clips are shown next to Lopez-at-Pipeline.) Bear accepts his fate calmly and with grace in the end knowing it's all part of life.

The Hawaiians always seen playing guitars were Bear's crew as well, from the 1950s era of big wave surfing and here they serve the function of always "talking story," or passing down the lore of surfing through the oral tradition. Cutting the Big Wednesday Origin scene removed a lot of the generational theme of the film, but having the "kid in the background" Flea tell the bigger story in narration helps to reinforce the motif.

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