Shooting Tarrant


As I re-watch B7, it is brought home to me once again what an insufferable prat the character of Tarrant realy was. And for the first time I find myself asking
"Why doesn't Avon just shoot him." The two hate each other, without the mitigating factor of Blake's charismatic leadership, and unlike with Blake, none of the rest of the crew have any particular loyalty to Tarrant. Add to this the fact that as the show goes on Avon is less and less well balanced, and I am at a loss for how they justified NOT having Avon shoot him!

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Tarrant was a skillful pilot and had trained as a Federation captain so I can see that as a reason for Avon keeping him around to increase his own chances of survival.

The thing that bugs me about Tarrant is I didn't quite understand his motives for staying with Avon and crew. He left the Federation and was making a living off illegal activities before the Intergalactic War so why didn't he just go back to that? Unless he couldn't find another ship. I don't think he really had any political ideas for being against the Federation unlike the others, not at first at least. Maybe he thought he could have command of the Liberator if he waited long enough? True it's just a TV show...



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He just liked the idea of having an awesome ship, and his own crew, rather than just getting by alone?

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I guess so, but Avon was in his way, and vice-versa.



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It is interesting, but B7 was my favourite show when I was young, and I still love the first 3 seasons on DVD, but somehow I have virtualy no memory of anything from season 4. I think my subconcious has irradicated everything after the destruction of Liberator.

Except the final episode, of course.

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I've been watching series four again recently, it is quite poor compared to the first three and even more dated in my opinion, but still quite entertaining. The final episode was a cracker!



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Are you aware of the fairly amusing way that season 4 came about?

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No, other than someone at the BBC was impressed by it I believe?



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The new controller of the BBC liked it so much he had the voice over announce the series was coming back next year, to the complete surprise of cast and crew?

As why Avon didn't kill Tarrant, he was the only pilot they had. If they had another pilot, Avon would have shot him or allowed Tarrant to go off and do the hero thing and conveniently forget all about him and leave him behind covering their escape.

Another reason was that he was an expendable gun.


He who lives by the sword will be shot by those who can't

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That is exactly the story that I heard about the voice over on the last episode of season 3. Love that!

Good point on the pilot thing, altho they probably could have gotten away with just using orac.

And definitly an expendable gun.

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Well, I think originally the plan was that Avon WOULD shoot Tarrant. This also answers the question somebody else asked about Tarrant's unclear motivation - the original plan was that Tarrant would decide to sell out the crew to Servalan for his own profit, so he'd be revealed as the traitor/badguy towards the end of season 3.

That was Terry Nation's idea, but he was becoming less involved with the show because he had more projects on and Boucher and Maloney decided to abandon it (along with the arc of looking for Blake) because they found it difficult to handle the Star One arc the previous season.

IMHO, it's a bit of a shame Boucher and Maloney weren't more ambitious because the arc in Season 2 is definitely quite jumbled and some way from perfect, but is also quite ahead of its time...

I suspect the problem is that you have too many paperclips up your nose

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The whole aspect of the heroes struggling to survive, as opposed to being dominant and winning every confrontation was way in advance of its time. I think the next person to try that was Whedon in Firefly, and we all know how well the studio embraced the idea there...

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The whole aspect of the heroes struggling to survive, as opposed to being dominant and winning every confrontation was way in advance of its time. I think the next person to try that was Whedon in Firefly

Well, not really.

Babylon 5 and Farscape both pre-date Firefly, and both included their share of "setbacks" for the protagonists.

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You are probably right, I never watched much of either. Was that position of underdog a central theme of the series, or an occassional occurance?

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The main characters on Farscape are (as on B7) a group of escaped prisoners. They aren't trying to start an insurrection, for quite a while they are basically just running for their lives. Eventually they do end up in the middle of some big dealings between a couple of interstellar empires, though. The only defense that their ship has is the ability to do a sort of warp jump (in Farscape-speak it's called "starburst"), although once they do it the ship requires a nontrivial recovery time before it can do it again. They have *no* ship-to-ship weapons. At one point a major character coming onto the bridge just after they've met another ship asks: "Have we sent the 'Don't shoot. We're pathetic.' message yet?".

Yeah, they're pretty much always the underdogs.


Babylon 5 is a bit of a special case, even when compared to other shows with long term story arcs. B5 was designed as a "novel for television", in the very specific and finite sense. The entire 5 year story was outlined by the show's creator and primary writer before they ever started shooting the pilot. The titular space station was built (at a sort of "crossroads in neutral space" location) by the Earth Alliance to be a sort of galactic version of the United Nations. So the main characters are very definitely walking the halls of diplomatic power. However, "our heroes" (tm) (at least the humans among them) are among the few who are becoming aware that the EA President is consolidating power to become a totalitarian president-for-life. They end up seceding from the EA, taking away their source of planetary resources and putting them into a civil war with most of their own military. Then the galactic equivalent of World War III breaks out (or rather, grows out of what had been a regional war), with both of the primary powers leading the two sides being very obviously *much* more powerful (both technological advancement and military might) than the Earth (even if they were still united). So how much the term "underdog" applies to them depends a bit on when you're looking during the run of the show. However, even when it is hard to describe them as "underdogs" they have something of tendency to fail in some major objective; or to win only at the cost of very high losses. Suffice to say that, even early on when they are still Earth's official representatives and we haven't found out about much more powerful alien empires, they have some episode ending that you would *never* have seen on Star Trek.

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Thanks for the run downs. Farscape sounds very much in the B7/Firefly philosophy.

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Yes, there are definitely some similarities there. The characters on Farscape definitely have very different goals and priorities a lot of the time (aside from the whole not-all-get-killed-or-captured thing). And they really don't trust each other at all (at least initially). There are times when they are very much pulling in different directions. Of course, after they go through enough life threatening situations together, they do start to trust each other and become friends. Sometimes I think that was why they periodically brought another ongoing character onto the ship: it was the only way to believably keep up a level of internal divisiveness and chaos.

Actually, that's one thing that it kinda had in common with Babylon 5. Because B5 had regular characters who were representing different (sometimes warring) planetary empires, regular characters who the audience likes (at least a little) are often working at odds with each other. That's one of the reasons why (back in the 1990s) you would hear B5 described as "the anti-Trek". There was also things like being willing to end an episode with the focal point child dieing instead of being saved by "our heroes"; or the choice to close an episode where large boarding parties are successfully fought off not with the feel-good victory stuff, but with a long slow pan of the dieing and wounded filling the hallways because they've long since overflowed all of the medical bays (a bit reminiscent of the rail station shot in Gone with the Wind).

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I think season 3 and 4 NEEDED Tarrant because he was the only somewhat heroic character left. Everyone else was only out for their own interests.

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Besides, all the male characters looked like Dads. Teenage boys like their dashing heroes to NOT look like their dad. Have you ever see an action figure in tweed trousers, slippers and a cardigan?

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One of the reasons Avon keeps Tarrant around was given in Rescue...

Avon: Pass out again and I'll leave you, Tarrant.
Tarrant: I'm surprised you came back this time.
Avon: We stand a better chance as a group.
Tarrant: What? While something's eating me you can get away?
Avon: Or vice versa.
Tarrant: I'll drink to that.

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Traitor...
Vila: "You realize this could be a trap Avon?"
Avon: "Well of course I do, why do you think I'm sending Tarrant?"
Note Soolin's smirk & raised eyebrows that immediately follow.

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After Tarrant put Vila in jeopardy in "City At The Edge Of The World," any sympathy for him went out the space-hatch. Loved how Avon sat him down realizing Vila wouldn't be too receptive to him after his life was threatened by Bayban.

Tarrant: "Why do you think you'd be better dealing with this situation on the planet? I know the people."

Avon: "Vila knows what I think of him."

Tarrant: "You despise him."

Avon: "And he knows it...what do you think he'd do if he saw you?"

Dayna: (Looking at Tarrant and smiling) "I think he'd kill you."

Avon: "Exactly, he knows how I feel about him. If we need anything, we'll let you know. Put us down."

That was off the cuff, but the gist of their conversation when the ship lost contact with Vila.

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