Quote from you: "Erm, yes, we know some kids have sex, making movies about it is called Child Pornography."
LOL..., I gotta laugh here. You've got things backwards. The actual doing of it is the more significant matter, not the depiction of it. I can't quit laughing at that statement.
To make it a bit clearer, lets' say we're talking about murder. Okay, now on the movies we've got murders and in real life we've got murders. Now, someone comes up and says, "You know..., there's a lot of murders going on, these days!" And then someone else says, "Yeah, but that's okay, because at least we're not showing or depicting those murders in movies."
Oh..., okay, it's like -- don't show it in a drama or a movie about people -- but yeah, as long as you do it in real life and don't film it, it's perfectly okay... LOL... that's pretty good!
Now, in this particular depiction of it (Maladolescenza), it pretty much gives a real good understanding of the kind of drama and emotions and interactions that go on and can go on with that particular age group. And this would be completely different than what would go on with, let's say, college age people (for example) or adults (for another example). It's something especially unique and different, in that there are mighty powerful emotions combined with (what was depicted) as cruelty in that age group (which is so, so true, also). You've got the movement from an innocence in these things, to what pulls all the characters together in their "fatal dance", so to speak. That's what makes for some real drama and real depiction of how this particular age group would be in real life. And it just doesn't apply in the same way to another age group.
With any other age group, they've got different dynamics going in life, they're a bit more sophisticated and don't start out to be so innocent. And also, in this particular age group (and as shown in the movie), it was sort of shocking to find that Sylvia was -both- seemingly more sophisticated, but yet, at the same time, less sophisticated in other ways. It was a good contrast.
But, going on further, with what you said -- it's pretty evident how far out of touch you are with what is really going on these days. You're saying that "we know some kids have sex." Ummm..., you're stuck somewhere 50 years ago, I'm afraid. It's even worse than what is depicted in this movie of 30 years ago (Maladolescenza). This particular movie is almost sort of sweet and nice (aside from the cruelty involved), in comparison to today's culture.
Today, it's literally rampant, and even down to the 10-11-12 year old range, and is seen/perceived within that age group and up as a "rite of passage" and a sort of "confirmation" among one's peers. It's on the order of "introductions" today. It's like, "Let me introduce myself, by getting my clothes off and getting it on with you."
And furthermore, today, with the rapid increase of the numbers of video cams out there, these things are not only being done, they are being filmed. And it seems that the "being filmed" part is also an "incentive" of some sort to "more action" on the part of the participants. They seem to revel in it. It would seem that everyone's an actor today, and especially our 12-yeard olds and up.
Now, some people may want to present the "depiction" of these things as the real problem, but they've missed the really, really big problem and it's that this age group of 12-year-olds and up are simply throwing off any restraints that were ever there before (and doing it wholesale, as a group), and engaging with others in sex with wholesale abandon. And the filming that this group is doing happens to be a side-line ancilliary product -- something they seem to do, also, for the fun of it.
The depiction is a totally non-event, as far as what the true and real actions are, that are going on these days. It's not even worth mentioning the depiction. I would only wish that this was simply a depiction of an occasional and isolated event. But, it's far from it, today.
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Dismenot
18 years ago
Wow!
LOL..., I gotta laugh here. You've got things backwards. The actual doing of it is the more significant matter, not the depiction of it. I can't quit laughing at that statement.
That is the stupidest argument for kiddie porn I've heard yet. (though not the first time I've heard it, lol)
So, since some kids have sex, you think we should make lots of movies with little kids doing the hoochie-coochie so you can get your rocks off?
It would appear so, since you have already managed to convince yourself that all kids everywhere are having this "rampant" sex mania frenzy thing going on.
Most kiddie porn lovers convince themselves of that early on, it gives them an excuse for their behaviour, and their fantasies.
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kalvinharp
18 years ago
what you say is mostly true about kiddie porn lovers, but thats neither here nor there. "Spielen wir Liebe" is not kiddie porn, nor illegal except in germany. Spielen wir Liebe is a great tale of the hardships of emerging adolescence. Its not porn, its not erotica, its a great story to which i can relate to, having gone through very difficult preteen and young teen years (Junior High).
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Dismenot
18 years ago
"Spielen wir Liebe" is not kiddie porn, nor illegal except in germany. "
Sorry, but you are incorrect on both counts.
It is classified as child pornograghy everywhere now.
Germany was the last country to outlaw it, not the only one.
It has been illegal elsewhere for a very long time, and it was never legal in the USA.
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Bitter_Almonds
18 years ago
That's funny. I saw this movie in a university library.
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kalvinharp
18 years ago
show me your proof that this movie is illegal. It is protected under freedom of speech along with nudist films and art films. I bought this, non-bootleg, version of the movie from a site that sold artistic and nudist films. They had a disclaimer, that warrented that nudist films and art films are not pornographic. I even asked my friend at the FBI about it, becuase I am a sociology: criminal justice major, and having read the laws regarding pornography, i can conclude that this movie is legal. The only movies that I know of that are illegal, that were officially produced are Traci Lord's underage porn films that she completed from 1984 thru 1986. Inly one remains legal, whcih was done after Traci's 18th birthday, "Traci, I Love You" (1987). My uncle should know, he is a sheriff, and I have questioned him about the film, after screening it, He told me that it was legal, that it was not kiddy porn. So if 2 FBI agents and a sheriff tell me that it is legal, what more proof do you need to believe that it is legal.
Trust me being a Criminal Justice major and having a cop as an uncle, I know the law pretty well. Both the seller's disclaimer along with law officers have told me it is legal. Under your basis of illegal, all of David Hamilton's films, and many european films would be illegal, just because of the fact that they show or imply that children are naked. Remember nudity is not pornography. If you like i can send you a copy of the 1st amendment to the constitution of the United States and the laws regarding child pornography. Even your estimate for prison time regarding child pornography is wrong, it is 5 to 10 years for each count. 3 pictures could equal you up to 30 years.
Don't s**t to Bulls**t ! I know the law, and have encountered cases through internship and studies of child pornography cases. You have every right to despise the movie, and bash it all you want, but please don't make false statements about the legality of the film, please base your arguments on fact....not fiction !!!!!
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