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Beste Nederlandse film/Best Dutch movie


ik denk dat dit de beste Nederlandse films id die ooit is gemaakt, jullie?

I think this is the best Dutch movie ever made, how about you?

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Simon is beste NL film volgens IMDb rating 8.6 gewogen gemiddelde 8.7 rekenkundig gemiddelde
Soldaat van oranje 7.6 gewogen gemiddelde en 8.2 rekenkundig gemiddelde

Simon gets highest IMDb ratings 8.6 weighted (8.7 Arithmetic mean)
Soldaat van oranje 7.6 weighted (8.2 Arithmetic mean)

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Soldaat van Oranje is de beste Nederlandse film ooit punt! Enne Gnolti "The Germans did terrible things in Holland, true, but get over it" je weet niet eens waar je over praat gast. Heeft Amerika ooit zoveel burgerslachtoffers gehad als Nederland, Engeland of Frankrijk?

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Don't have a clue what y'all are talking about, but like to say that I think 'Soldier of Orange' is a good movie and the start of a very good directors career. Although it has got its flaws, you see the basic fundaments of later good work like Basic Instinc an Starship Troopers(an intelligent twist to nazi propaganda in the far future). Hope to see his next picture soon, hear from friends that are working on this picture that it's going to be great.

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Don't know exactly what your point is with regard to what it has to do with adding anything to what you already know about WWII(you can watch a documentary or read a book for that), updating ones history knowledge about WWII in the Netherlands is not the meaning of this movie, for as far as I know. If you watch movies to update your history knowledge, think you took the wrong turn, there are like zillion examples of Hollywood history forgery going on and the majority of people base their 'knowledge' on this. Think I made my point on this one, if and when I have to elaborate please let me know.

For example; Schindler's list, this movie didn't add a lot to what I already knew about the holocaust either, history forgery revisited that pissed me off.(but that's another discussion) and this has an important message to it, don't let another 'people' tell a story about what happened in history at a certain point in time. 'Soldier of Orange' is a Dutch story, it was filmed by the Dutch and it turned out to be a nice movie. Because the central theme is based upon the resistance in the Netherlands, its solely for the Dutch to decide how they want to perceive and document it....

The things you say about the Vanishing(1993) is pure 'bullocks' that was one of the biggest pieces of crap I ever saw after a novel(happened to read the novel it was based on). But hey, everyone has its flaws...

Don't think 'Soldier of Orange' is the 'best' Dutch movie either, but to base your discussion upon 'kidney smashing' is a bit thin....

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For the record; was talking about the one with Kiefer Sutherland(the only one I saw), so we can agree this was the biggest piece of *beep* after a novel than and not very thin either I would suppose? Don't know what this has to do with continuing the discussion, but hey it's your party!

For visual aids I always consider documentaries first because most of the times these will reflect 'truth' instead of romanticising it.(same for sure what happened in Soldier of Orange).

As a matter of fact I really like Casino and Fight Club, but this has little to do with sadism or gratuitous brutality. If this is a big issue for you when watching movies you can say the same thing about numerous of movies, ranging from Pulp Fiction to Apocalypse Now(good movies though). The sadism and brutality in Soldier of Orange are much, much, much less however. For SOA you can say that the torture displayed was functional, because the nazis used a lot of it on the resistance in the Netherlands when caught.

I think you have to see it like it is; SOA is a good but not 'great' movie and marks the start of the career of a very good director. To make the comparison with a Jean Claude van Damme movie.... I wouldn't go there..

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Why are so many Dutch movies about the Dutch experience of World war Two (Ik ben zelf Nederlands, en ik ben dol op deze films). I understand that it is an important historical chapter for us but is it perhaps possible to aim Dutch historical movies at different times. The 17th century or the eighty year war perhaps.

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If you're one quarter Dutch, I suppose you're not living in Holland, how come your Dutch is that good? Mijn complimenten.

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I dont think there are too many Dutch films about WOII. Cant name a lot actually, but a lot had happened in the Netherlands in those 5 years the Germans were here, that you could make a dozen movies of that. (Anne-Frank, NSB, the resistance, jap-camps etc.)

And I agree with you, there should be more movies about the 17th century. Holland, the Netherlands I have to say, has a rich history, violent and beautifull.
The 80 year long war against Spain, the making of our king, the sea wars against England, wich have some great story's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_the_Medway Is 1 of the Story's wich we had to learn as a child, would be a great flick.

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Let's see, Dutch movie about their experience in World war two.

-Soldaat van oranje
-het meisje met het rode haar
-de aanslag
-het bittere kruid
-de partisanen (series)
-voor een verloren soldaat
-Ergens in Nederland
-Het dagboek van Anne Frank

And than there are some which i have forgotten

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I still stick by it. Some Dutch filmakers have potential. A movie about the Batavia hitting the sands of Australia or the Roman occupation of the Rhinelands could draw quitte some attention.

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Agree, but also movies about the 80 years war would be welcome or a change.

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Niet echt ongewaardeerd maar gewoon vrij onbekend. Inderdaad een van de betere Nederlandse films. Spoorloos (het gouden ei) vind ik persoonlijk de beste.

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A more realistic view of the dutch resistance u get from watching "Pastorale 1943" Or even better read the book by Simon Vesetdijk if i am not mistaken.
In SOA the resistance looks organized and all look heros. However the dutch resistance was lacking of organization, and had many *beep* ups.

Nevertheless, its a good movie and I enjoy watching it every time, but i wouldn't call it the best dutch movie. Rather see "De Tweeling" wearing that title.

just my2cents.

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tihi, funny how you checked the imdb page just before watching the movie on tv. :) just watched it too, and allthough i liked it, it did seem a bit 'fragmented'; skipping very fast from scene to scene, much like the (non-extended versions of the) lord of the rings movies do.

with respect to the best dutch movie, i cant really say much. i havent seen 'spoorloos', though i have of course read 'het gouden ei' (if it is based on that). my personal favourites sofar are 'amsterdamned' and 'ciske de rat'. both set in amsterdam (the first is partly filmed in utrecht, though), maybe a coincidence? ;)

about future dutch movies; i'd love to see some movie about the glorydays of dutch history. the war of independence, the golden age, the anglo-dutch wars, there are enough subjects to pick from. i know that it is very un-dutch to be proud of our own history, but why not try to change that with a nice movie? when i watch chinese movies like 'hero' or 'once upon a time in china', im thinking that we can do that too. so what if we romaticize out history... i'd rather have that than ignore it.

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Absolutely.. Best Dutch Film Ever Made!

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Saw it last week. Definitely one of the best films from the Netherlands; a true Dutch classic if ever there was one.

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Gnolti, he was talking about civilian casualties. Ofcourse the Americans, Canadians and Brits came to the rescue of the european mainland and a lot of soldiers died doing it, but the discussion was about civilians. And there you have to agree: the US have simply never been occupied in any way or had an assault on their own territory (please, do not count 9/11 as an attack on the US)
But to stick to the movie at hand. You got a point about SOA not being all that. The Dutch have a tendency to be a little over-proud of their war-past. But SOA isn't glorifying anything. It's simply a well told and shot story about the dutch resistance, and because our filmindustry is very small there aren't that many really great movies around. But this is definately one of 'm.
And I'm curious about those Robin Hood movies. People always use comparisons in topics like this, but almost always forget to come with examples.

By the way, I recently watched Simon, and goddayumn what a great film. Kicked Wilde Mossels en SOA from the top of my favourites-list

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I'm not knocking the Dutch civilian role, or suffering, during the Nazi occupation. My now-deceased Dutch uncle (yes, I have a Dutch wing to my family) was a little crazy, though: he always criticized the Germans for not having all of their Panzer divisions in the right place at the right time in Normandy, to resist the Allied invasion.

SOA is probably Verhoeven's best film, because he went on to make a lot of awful films in the U.S. The best Dutch film, in my opinion, is M. van Diem's "Karakter". There are so many great times and places and subjects for Dutch movies besides the World War: Holland in the 1600s, the Dutch colonial experiences in Indonesia in the 1900s/1920s, etc. But nobody seems interested in putting that on film.


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What about the Dutch in Africa, particularly South Africa, but i doubt whether anyone could do it without bringing apartheid.


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Yes, in these "splendid little war" times, we're overdue for a Boer War movie. Breaker Morant is still a classic, though (but it was a UK production).


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He was an Aussie wasnt he?

I agree with the Boer war movie. Pretty much all of my great grandfathers were in that war, on both sides as it were.


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Breaker was indeed an Aussie. Here's a toast to Down Under.


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He Evlien ben het helemaal met je eens
Gr. Rob

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Although I'm from a Dutch background and boast acestry that comes 100% from the Netherlands, I've only seen two dutch films . There's this and this thing called the idiots or something. So I would declare this the best Dutch film I've ever seen.

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Gisteren was de Avond van de Nederlandse filmquiz of zoiets.
iig in Utrecht op het Nederlandse filmfestival.
Er is een enquete gehouden onder 10.000 nederlanders over de beste films aller tijde.
De nederlandse films kreeg een top 3 van:

1. Soldaat van Oranje
2. Turks Fruit
3. De Aanslag



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Dat programma ben ik ook tegengekomen bij het kanaalsurfen.

Ik vraag me af of al die opgeblazen ego's alleen een of ander ondraaglijk traag Frans drama als beste noemen om elitair en geleerd over te komen, of dat ze werkelijk zo weinig smaak hebben.

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Die hebben zich gewoon meteen voorgenomen om alle Hollywood Blockbusters zowiezo slecht te vinden. Heeft geen verhaal zeggen ze dan. Zijn zeker wel bevooroordeeld.


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België heeft nog meer 'afgezien' tijdens WOII die jullie, jochies...


ps. "Max Havelaar" is beste NL/Dutch film, tot "Zwartboek" deze maand verscheen...


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De Vierde man albeit not the best Dutch film is pretty impressive as well.

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Dit is nieteens iets om over te discusieren...

Maar dat jij eens even heel vlug je mond gaat spoelen.

Al laat ik gewoon maar even het aantal slachtoffers zien

België: 86,100 doden

Nederland: 202,800 doden

In procenten van de bevolking:

België: 1.01%

Nederland: 2.32%

Laat staan de steden die zijn plat gegooid zoals Rotterdam...

Hou jij het maar mooi bij de grote oorlog...

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I would say, Soldaat van Oranje is a great film, but certainly not the best Dutch film ever.

I think Karakter, Cloaca, Van God Los and maybe some others better than Soldier. I actually also prefere Zwartboek and de Vierde Man.


Dutch film trailers:http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=D27A7F87EA26812D

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Ik ben het niet met je eens. Simon vind ik persoonlijk de beste Nederlandse film "ooit" gemaakt. ...Cees Geel, wat een acteur!

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'De Noordelingen' is een meesterwerkje

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105019/

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Flammen & Citronen!!!!

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Of the films I have seen, Nightwatch just edges out The Vanishing.



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i agree solider of orange is a fantastic film but there are other dutch films that i think are just as good like:
the fourth man
the vanishing
and even some more recent films like memory of a killer, the loft, and bullhead.

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Soldier of Orange is fantastic and still is the best Dutch film. Why I ask you there is NO release on Bluray. For a Dutchman myself I do not understand why it is 2014 and still nothing. Spetters,Blackbook from Paul Verhoeven you can get on Bluray and Soldier of Orange where is that Masterpiece of Dutch Cinema.
Other that you mentioned are also great, but here are some others:
De Aanslag-the Assault
Turks Fruit-Turkish Delight
De Noordelingen
Borgman
Wolf
Blackout
Suskind
Sonny Boy
Oorlogswinter-Winter in Wartime
for example,but memory of a killer I do not know and:
Bullhead and the Loft are Belgium. Well the last one had a Dutch remake.

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