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There's no doubt Bobby C was under both intense societal and familial pressure to marry his pregnant girlfriend - which was a very common solution in the 1970s. These days, there would be less chance his girlfriend would object to an abortion (he wanted the Pope's Okiedokey to do so!).
Even if she decided to keep the baby, in today's world there would be very little societal or familal pressure to marry, so Bobby's problem was kind of a problem of the times.
He didn't want to get married, he didn't want a family, but he also didn't know any way out.
I don't believe Bobby C had a girlfriend; she was imaginary.
Did we ever see her?
Did his crew acknowledge her when he mentioned her?
Does he ever seem like a guy who could have a girl friend? Trust me, I am accounting for the generosity of women.
I think the girlfriend was a story to get attention from his crew; they ignored him. When his crew didn't give him attention, he told the story to Frank who would have no idea the kid was delusional.
But I could be wrong; I am several times a day.
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I haven't seen the movie in years, but this may make me rewatch.
I could respond with with they have heard about the imaginary girlfriend so many times in the past and go along with it to end the conversation. But nothing probably supports that.
Does Bobby at anytime state Pauline is his girlfriend. Or does the movie tell us who Pauline is?
I am not doubting you. I am trying to avoid a rewatch and your familiarity is better than mine.
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That makes sense. You convinced me. I didn't recall Pauline was named and/or referenced by name and that was my basis. Thanks.
shareI suppose it was Bobby C's death that made Tony finally "cross the bridge". Tony was so shook up after Bobby's fall, maybe he was worried that the same thing could've happened and someday would happen to him.
One thing though, how did Frank lose the respect of his family? I thought they proud of him being a priest? Or are you referring to after he left the priesthood?
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Despite living just a bridge away from the world class cosmopolitan city, these characters act and interact like they are from a small, narrow-minded village. Stephanie and Tony crossed the bridge. Bobby C felt trapped and jumped off the bridge. Frank tried to uncross the bridge but didn’t end up where he started (as the pride and joy of the family), so he had to move on. The rest of the characters cling to their low paying jobs, Saturday night escapisms, and Catholic family conventions.
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After [Frank] left the priesthood. They wanted nothing to do with him when he stopped being a priest
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Lots of good foils for Tony but Frank is great one, even though he doesn’t have much screen time.
shareThere are all sorts of different societal pressures. There's peer group pressure, which tells the young male characters to act like idiots. There's familial pressure, which tells people to marry their pregnant girlfriends and stay in the church. There's community-level pressure, which tells everyone to conform. But then there's pressure from the larger society, which tells people to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make something of yourself! And then there's the individual pressures on the Bobby C's of the world, which tells them that they're losers and nothing they will ever do will work out
So I kinda think your "societal pressure" is an oversimplification. Society tells Tony to make something of himself, his family tells him to make something of himself without leaving home or his community, and his peers tell him to screw around and risk his life in really stupid ways. All pressures on one guy.
He was a scared little guy who got himself in a tough situation that he didn't know how to deal with.
shareFirst off, Pauline was in high school. How do we know this? Bobby said he talked to everyone about the pregnancy, including the high school guidance counselor. Why would a high school guidance counselor get involved if one of the two were not in high school? Bobby was not in high school. He was 18 or 19, old enough to drink at the disco back then.
What would “crossing the bridge” mean to Bobby? Running away and leaving pregnant Pauline to deal with this alone? Marrying a teenage kid then spending his life in a loveless marriage trying to make enough money to support them? His options sucked.
But one option was never put on the table. Adoption. Helping Pauline have the baby discretely and finding a nice couple to adopt the baby. He could have sold his car to help pay her way into one of those country inns for young mothers. They had places like that back then for rich girls who “got in trouble”. Why would a high school girl want to forfeit all her opportunities and hopes too? Disappointed Father Frank didn’t suggest it. He was no help at all to Bobby and would have made a lousy priest.