Two things that all of you need to get straight: - Saturday Night Fever (1977) Discussion

[–] !!!deleted!!! (63057267) 9 years ago

First off, Annette wasn't raped in any sense of the word, and anyone who thinks otherwise is likely responding to her crying toward the end of the scene. She initiated the sex with Tony's friends in an effort to make Tony jealous, and began to regret it when she saw that he was indifferent about it.

Secondly, you come off like some self-appointed authority on this movie, which you're clearly not.

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[–] KobiyashiMauru 9 years ago

Bobby just wanted to see how DEEP was his love. 😨

Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded. Yogi Berra

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[–] Milkdoesabodygood 9 years ago

When Joey was about to Ejaculate inside of Annette, that's when she relized that sex isn't a game to play with, although I think she married Joey down the road anyway, maybe Joey should have pulled out, maybe she should have demanded it. When double J jumped on her, that's when it was rape.
Tony and p u s s y Bobby C should have stepped in but both were emotionally drained by then. Tony knew that things could only get worse if he stayed with them losers, so he just upped and left and good for him.
Bobby C wanted to jump hence he twisted away and leaped over, he had enough of life with those creeps.

Spoiler alert for them spoil sports out there! Y'all like spoiled milk, stop crying over it!

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[–] daughterofolaf 9 years ago

Milk, you have stated in multiple posts that Annette married Joey later on. Are you trying to be funny/making a joke or are you serious? Is there something I'm missing on this topic?

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[–] sargesmash 9 years ago

I believe Annette was raped as well. She tried to numb herself earlier in the evening at the dance contest, as Tony and Stephanie were dancing, perhaps as a way to deal with her jealousy, but also to numb herself to what she was about to do with Joey and Double J. In either event, she was not thinking straight and the guys took full advantage of the situation. Bobby probably could not physically stop either Joey or Double J, but at the very least he could have helped Tony throw them out of the car, their presence not missed again.

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[–] The_Ultimate_Hippo 9 years ago

Annette was only raped by Double J, she never told Joey to stop.

"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine

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[–] ck1-5 9 years ago

So, apparently, the OP wrote the script?

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[–] Synergetic11 9 years ago

They're all rapists except for Travolta and the little w-us who falls off the bridge. Travolta/Manero she always wanted to bang but never banged fully anyway, since he barely even got his pecker polished in the car before his friends came back from the Disco. However, Travolta was still an accessory to rape by letting two of his friends run a train on her in her rather drunk and drugged state. We'll leave aside the fact that she was given the drugs by Travolta's friend, since she had wanted to take them and wasn't drugged without her knowledge, plus she wasn't unconscious when they raped her and therefore able to consent or not. The first guy she doesn't complain too much about but the second guy, Double-J or whatever his name is, she clearly tells to stop and he flat-out refuses. It is made obvious by the acting that they have done this kind of thing, forcing themselves on girls in backs of cars, many times before, and gotten away with it, since they feel very little apprehension or fear of getting in trouble for doing the deed. If Manero didn't go after her near the bridge she probably would have gone full-scale nuts about being raped and jumped off. Also, although it is not in the movie, it's implied that if she had reported the rape, all the guys would have backed each other up and denied that anything violent or criminal had happened.

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[–] The_Ultimate_Hippo 9 years ago

Travolta tried to stop Annette from putting out and he almost got his ass kicked and Annette wouldn't listen. Sorry but a lot of the blame has to fall on Annette, she chose to get high and she chose to be a little slut. I am not defending Double J however, he did clearly rape her.

"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine

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[–] Synergetic11 9 years ago

I didn't say it didn't. Being slutty does invite rapists and people who take advantage, but most "rapes" are never reported anyway and are usually very hard to prove when they are, since one couple's passionate love-making might be another couple's "rough-sex" and yet another couple's "rape," even if it's just a case of the girl regretting what she did. Usually, only when the girl feels confident that she would be less humiliated than the guy who raped her and can really stick it to him back, will she even consider pressing charges against him. Rapists know this, and know that they can get away with forcing themselves on women who say no, as long as she doesn't resist too much. The Double-J character was one of these guys.

The fact that psychologists have confirmed that many women have "rape" fantasies often adds to all the confusion.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201012/the-rape-fantasy

There are also millions of moronic women, such as all the idiotic "50 Shades of s-hi-te" fans who fantasize about being "dominated" by some jerk of a "strong alpha man," but only scream "rape" when a guy they don't like all that much "dominates" them, when if their favorite movie star was dominating them to the point of almost "rape," they would call it "erotica." What a degenerate joke of blurred lines of morality the world has become! And, unfortunately, most of it is no accident. Most of it is deliberate social engineering.

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[–] Jumpygrouch 8 years ago

First, Synergetic11, you should not be writing about this subject here beyond the scope of the movie -- especially given that you have very little information to offer. That said, since your comment is here it must be added for those who may believe you are correct, that the type of incidents to which you refer with the woman "regretting what she did" or with "a guy they don't like all that much" only applies to DATING situations that don't involve women being drugged. According to global statistics (beyond the American college dating statistics you are using to whitewash a global problem) most of these crimes occur outside of dating situations, do not satisfy the criteria you describe, and reported or not, should not be trivialized as you attempt to do here.

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[–] Synergetic11 8 years ago

Who are you the "thought police"? lol

We were discussing what constitutes rape and what does not IN REALITY, that is the reality of the last 50 years and whatever changes have occured between the 1970s and now, some for good and many more for the worse. We were talking about "Saturday Night Fever," genius, and how effectively or non-effectively, how realistically or non-realistically it depicts a situation more AMBIGUOUS to the characters in the film than to the audience. To the characters in the film, the girl who voluntarily asks for and takes the drugs that Travolta and his jerk friends feed her, is just a slut and floozie who gets what she deserves, what she supposedly wanted: sex in order to, in her screwed-up mind, make Travolta jealous. To most of the people in the audience what these guys do, or at least what the "Double J" character does, is rape, but because of the realism of the scene, they also identify with the point-of-view of the characters, especially Travolta, for whom they have developed an affinity or "identification" that clashes with their own moral sense PLUS whatever identification they might have developed for the Annette/Donna Pescow "loose girl with a crush" character. However, in the tough, street-level reality depicted in the film, quite accurately I might add, she would be much more likely to hurt herself or commit suicide (as she almost does) than report any of these jerks as rapists. She would not be able to prove much (hence the "outside scope" explanation of the difficulty of proving rapes, because, bizarrely enough, too many idiots have been led to assume that all it takes is some woman screaming "rape" and then a "court-approved" lynching follows) AND, much more important from HER point of view and thousands of other women who get raped, she would be completely humiliated and hated and hassled by these same guys and their entire families in the process.

By the way, in that movie, the rape IS happening during a "social outing" between people who know each other reasonably well. The only reason it's not a "dating situation" is because Travolta isn't dating her, he just occasionally dances with her because she's a good dancer, and then dumps her for Karen Lynn Gorney/Stephanie.

If you can't handle a mature and politically incorrect discussion of rape and how society as well as people-making-a-movie-reflecting-their-own-experiences-in-society see it, go and play with the kiddies. lol

Or at least don't pretend to be for "free speech" and free discussion. The way I see it free-speech and my right to say whatever I want, on this forum or any other, only ends when PROVEN lie-bel begins. If you can't prove lie-bel and fraud and have to resort to a bullying tone and tactics and eventually even the anti-free-speech laws we see popping up everywhere, to get your way, then you have no case to make, in one measly, lazy paragraph on IMDB or in a thousand page book.

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[–] krispykremekiller 8 years ago

Both 1 and 2 are complicated

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[–] Jes' Sayin' (6349) a year ago

2) He was deliberately engaging in risky behavior for no good reason. There's reason to believe he didn't care.

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[–] mitzibishi (1835) 8 months ago

Regret is not rape. She didn't really want to have sex with the guy. But that's not rape because she fully consented and like the guy above said, she consented and went through with it to make Tony jealous.

Tony didn't care. So she regretted it. The outcome to make Tony jealous didn't pay off for her. If it did make him jealous she would have been giddy with joy. Neither are rape.

But you would most likely have an innocent man thrown in jail for the rest of his life because an idiot failed to make somebody jealous.

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[–] Lucia2016 (612) 8 months ago

Funny i always thought it was Rape it's such a disturbing little scene that it sticks in your brain.

But just re watched after years and it wasn't Rape, she got scared and reality hit her when the first one was about to Cum inside her. Her saying no no meant no please don't cum in me.

After that it's just a bit icky the second one jumps on and she throws a coulpe of meek half hearted please no's but given the setting the culture of these people it's not clear cut.

But i don't think the purpose of the scene was to show poor girl in over her head gets Raped shock. It was more that she demeaned and humiliated herself

She was a tragic character you couldn't help feeling sorry for her and she was a good girl at heart but there is a line for women the sexually liberated like to avoid but once a girl has given herself over in a sleazy easy encounter. they lose a part of their soul and self respect and it's really hard to get it back once it's gone.

They try to sell the idea that they can be just like Men and have multiple partners and be players too but it just doesn't work.
This film is slut shaming and it's very honest in it's depiction of real people dynamics vs movie philosophy

She is hard done by and i do feel for her but she made every choice consciously that led to what happened so she only has herself to blame. Women love to have the rape debate but what really pisses them of is that they were dumb and that is harder for them to accept

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[–] mitzibishi (1835) 8 months ago

>she demeaned and humiliated herself

Succinct.

In a bid to make Tony jealous, and he didn't care.

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[–] Lucia2016 (612) 8 months ago

Correct.

Like he said earlier and in the aftermath - do you wanna be a good girl or a Cunt?

She wasn't a Cnt really but was doomed after doing what she did, no going back

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[–] strntz (12225) 2 months ago

In a bid to make Tony jealous, and he didn't care.

I know this is getting off topic a bit, but it's my opinion that Tony really did care about Annette on some level, otherwise he wouldn't have tried to stop her from boinking Joey and Double J almost to the point of fighting them. Tony's reaction while Joey was was reaching the summit of Everest tells me that.

Certainly no, Tony didn't want a relationship with Annette on any level, but he wanted what was best for her, and what was best for her was not having public sex with two guys at the same time in the back of a moving car.

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