Madame Medusa's Fate


So, in your mind/opinion, did she live or did she die?

I think we're supposed to assume she eventually ran out of strength to cling to the stack and was eaten, but Disney is usually more direct with the deaths of their villains than leaving it open like that. Sure, they won't show her actually being eaten, but falling into the water and not surfacing would have been enough to know for sure what had happened to her.

Always thought there was a slim chance that Medusa survived. Maybe Nero and Brutus finally found something else to eat or gave up and swam away (maybe after Snoops! haha!) Medusa had been shown being pretty abusive toward them throughout the whole movie, and they never seemed to really mind it until all hell broke loose and she started hitting them with the ropes to make them go faster.

I'm sure she died and that the majority will probably agree, but jsut thought I'd ask others' opinions on her defeat/death/whatever. Were you satisfied with it? Would you have done it different?

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Well, on one hand, Brutus and Nero are fairly loyal pets, and at that moment it is clear that they're upset that Madame has turned on them, but I think there's a good chance that their tempers cooled.

In the storybook, the scene ends saying, "Let us not be mean and wish that they [Medusa and Snoops] find some place where they can resolve their issues without harming anyone."

Plus, Madame Medusa is a somewhat comical villain with likable attributes in this sense, and Disney often hesitates to kill off villains like this.

Madame Medusa isn't whole-heartedly evil; she does and says terrible things, but her objective is not to hurt Penny or anyone, really. She does not wish for power with which to harm others, she is just very greedy. Thus, she has not "earned," per say, a death ticket.

Mr. Snoops is even less evil. He is certainly greedy and wants to get his hands on the treasure, but he is not big on being cruel to Penny because his heart is just not designed that way. That's what makes Mr. Snoops's struggle so comical; he wants to be on Medusa's good side, but he struggles to bring out the evil he does not have.

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but I think there's a good chance that their tempers cooled.

Maybe they got to nibble on her legs before the coast guard found her.

In the storybook, the scene ends saying, "Let us not be mean and wish that they [Medusa and Snoops] find some place where they can resolve their issues without harming anyone."

How about the state penitentiary?

Plus, Madame Medusa is a somewhat comical villain with likable attributes in this sense, and Disney often hesitates to kill off villains like this.

You're right about that. I know that originally Captain Hook would've been killed off at the end of Peter Pan, but Walt nixed that idea.

She does not wish for power with which to harm others, she is just very greedy. Thus, she has not "earned," per say, a death ticket.

No, unless you count her intending to leave Penny in a dark cave to drown.

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So back when this and the earlier Disney movies were made, the decision to kill or leave a villain alive was based a lot on likability? This made me curious about the decision-making process back then and I do not know a lot about Disney's history, especially on this topic.

Very interesting stuff, because some villains got some pretty blatant and violent deaths (Gaston, Ursella, The Witch in Snow White, Rattigan, McCleach, etc) and some of them had their charm. Loved Rattigan (sp?) from The Great Mouse Detective. He was hilarious! Ursella is another of my top favorites. I seem to like all the ones who die. lol

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In some stories, the death of the villain would seem a bit too much of a consequence, especially when they still have "redemption" possibilities. Cruella is the oddest choice since her intentions were downright cruel, but she ends up relatively well.

Ratigan and Ursula were both power-hungry and intended to harm others for the purpose, so their deaths served right. The Queen/hag had not redeeming qualities in either of her forms, and she intended to have Snow White buried alive, which is gruesome enough to guarantee a death sentence in a Disney film.

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I'd like to do sort of a Dragnet-style ending here, if I may.

When her case was brought to trial, Madame Madeline Medusa plead not guilty to 1 count of child abuse, 2 counts of child endangerment, 1 count of kidnapping, 2 counts of animal cruelty, several counts of assault, 1 count of assault with a deadly weapon, 3 counts of attempted murder, 1 count of racketeering, and 50 counts of wreckless driving. The jury took only five minutes to convict her. She was given the maximum sentence of 50 years to life in a state penitentury. She will be eligible for parole when she has served a minimum sentence of no more or no less than 20 years. She was turned down for parole in 1997, but they wished her better luck in 2017.

Madeline Medusa's assistant, Seymour Snoops, entered a plea bargain that by pleading guilty to accessory to kidnapping, racketeering, child endangerment, and an unlawful use of illegal fireworks, and due to his eager cooperation in helping to incriminate his former employer, he will only serve 10 years in a state penitentury, followed by five years probation. He was released from prison in 1987, now running the pawn shop legitimately.

Alligators Brutus and Nero were adopted by the local zookeeper and presently reside in a Florida state zoo.

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I always liked Medusa, despite her evilness. She is a hoot! I always thought Brutus and Nero eventually left her alone and she got away but ended up being arrested because the cops came to check out the fireworks going off in the middle of the swamp. I mean if a villain does die Disney has no problem showing their deaths. I mean Scar, Ursula, Jafar, The Horned King, Dr. Facilier, Mother Gothel all had pretty graphic, freaky death scenes. If Disney intended Medusa to die they probably would have done what you said have her fall into the water and not come back up.

Lol actually I remember something from my childhood. So I use to watch this movie all the time as a kid because I was obsessed with Medusa. And does anyone remember the show "Chip and Dale: Rescue Rangers". Well I had a couple episodes on VHS and there was this one episode with a washer woman named Winifred who looked a lot like Medusa. She had the same style of red hair, had green eyes and a similar face just a bit older and more overweight. I always thought it was Medusa when I was a kid lol. She was a washer woman who wanted to be a witch and was stealing things to help her become one. She rode on a vacuum cleaner and had a snake and spider as her sidekicks.

So I thought they were the same person. I made up this whole story in my head as a kid that Medusa got away at the end of "The Rescuers" and ended up being arrested. She ended up escaping prison changing her name to Winifred and became a washer woman and decided to practice witchcraft. I loved that episode and use to watch it all the time because I thought it was Medusa haha. Lol fun times.

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I mean Scar, Ursula, Jafar, The Horned King, Dr. Facilier, Mother Gothel all had pretty graphic, freaky death scenes.

Don't forget Sykes from Oliver & Company: run over by a train

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