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So politically incorrect...



I got a chance to see this series again in my home country, which they played in the afternoons a year or 2 ago.

In the end credits the thing that struck me was the blatant political incorrectness regarding women.

The end credits would have:

Blonde Bird.........."actresses name"

Bird................."actresses name"

Etc.

I found it quite funny. there's no way that they would call women "Blonde birds" or "Birds" in Tv show's these days.


Anyway this show was great, lots of action in every episode.


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I don't have a problem with it myself and I AM female. Thats how a lot of men (and women) spoke in the seventies (i remember my older brothers saying it). It didn't harm anyone and only seemed to offend Germaine Greer types so that was a GOOD thing!!!!!!!!!!!! I can think of a LOT worse things to be called:)

ellbee:)

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Yes, The Professionals is VERY politically incorrect. Most females that appear are shown as classic "dumb blondes" with very little intellectual capacity, or as sex objects referred to as "Birds". They are continually addressed as "love" or "sweetheart" by Bodie and Doyle, no matter who they are This was acceptable when the programme was made, and women were generally treated like this by men in real life. (I know, I'm female and I lived through that era in a "man's world"!). However, women have come a long way since then and are now treated very differently on the screen and in real life. I have no doubt that if "The Professionals" was made today, they would not be allowed to have a male only team, and that a woman would be cast as an all action, intelligent member of the team. The terms "birds, love and sweethearts" would not be acceptable.
However, even though the sexism is blatant and irritating, "The Professionals", is still one of my favourite TV series of all time.

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I know its great isnt it. The real world not some cushty liberal isnt it nice and sunny oo it smells of rosies world.

Doyle:Come on in darling the doors open

Bodie:Anything you say sweetheart:)

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I can think of worse things to be called than sweetheart. Am I being sexist and patronizing when I call my husband sweetheart? Am I being sexist when I hold the door open for a man? Lets worry about important things like how to pay the mortgage rather than getting all uppity when a man calls a woman sweetheart or love. Lets face it i've seen worse behaviour from women in the last few years then i've seen from men. If you call women drinking themselves into oblivion and then falling out of pubs with the t*ts hanging out while vomiting in the gutter feminism then you can keep it, or a woman who didn't get the promotion she thought she was intitled to (she wasn't she was always off sick, late and completely imcompetent, I know i worked with her) she cried sexism and accused the manager of sexually harrassing her, which was quite funny because he was gay but she didn't know that. Anyway thats my not very liberal opinion and i'm entitled to it.





ellbee

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You are entitled to your opinion, ellbeone, and I agree that maybe feminism has now gone too far. A lot of women do play the system to get what they want, and your story of the woman who accused her gay manager of sexually harrassing her is hilarious. I've seen similar ridiculous allegations in my place of work. However, I would not want to go back to the sexist world that was as demonstrated in "The Professionals" .I do find it offensive to be called "love" or "sweetheart" by someone who is NOT my love or sweetheart (calling a spouse or partner these names is fine). I think it is disrespectful, especially from a colleague.
As I said before, I love "The Professionals", but the sexism in it would be totally unacceptable these days.



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It was only a programme.

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Eh? I don't think you understand. I am talking about real life. If you read my earlier posts you will see that I actually love The Professionals. I am just saying that type if sexism is not acceptable in real life.

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pupmaster is completely 110% right when she says that if the Professionals were remade today that there would look drastically different. Infact I can see it now.

Professionals cast 2006:

Bodie: This part is gonna be played a late 20's early 30's white guy, or more specifically an second generation Afrikaan who's father was a prominent figure in the Apartheid. Thus, he's gonna be the very definition of what an enlightened new age man is supposed to be all about. Tolerant, passive, wrought with guilt, and will have no outspoken opinions (except in things dealing with "white man on" *insert minority* situations which will rightfully enrage him beyond belief). In keeping with the general flow, he will also despise Christianity and will, coincidentally, be a closet homosexual. Regular snippets of the show will be devoted to dealing with Bodie's plight, showing the audience how homosexuals are treated on the obstacles they face.

Doyle: This part is gonna be played by a black guy in his late 20's and early 30's. His background will constitue something along the lines of being the target of racial abuse while coming up the ranks, thus making his plight all the more triumphant and making him all the more heroic. There will be subtle and regular snippets of the show dealing with the racism he has to put up with, only to triumph over it at the finale with the help of his best pal and partner Bodie. In keeping with the spirit, he will also keep a Korean girlfriend.

Cowley: This part is gonna be played by a 60 something woman who is the product of an interracial marriage between an English male and a Pakistani Muslim female. Every episode she will be seen being frustrated by the old (white) boy beuracracy who look to remove her from her position on either racial or sexual grounds, which she ofcourse cannot stand, but she will ofcourse always get the last laugh and will always come out triumphant thus reminding us of the glory that is feminism wrapped around a healthy dose of multi culturalism.

It ofcourse goes without saying that the bad guys will almost exlusively be all white and male, ranging from Neo Nazi skin heads, white power terrorists, rapists, serial killers, pedophiles and Eastern Europeans. The good guys will ofcourse constitue a literal multi cultural salad bowl of women, blacks, asians, jews and muslims who will overwhelmingly dominate positions in MI6(SIS), GCHQ, MI5, DIS, SAS, SBS, and various other Anti Terrorism organisations both domestic and abroad. Infact, you can be more than sure that there will be women in the SAS because as we all know, "women have come a long way since then" and ofcourse it's completely realistic because that's just how it is in the real world. Afterall why else would this show, and all other shows like it, be made other than to illustrate to the audience that such things do, in reality, happen? We all know that women in are in ambudance in military and anti terrorism units, popular media does not lie, and to admit otherwise is just plain sexism.

Anyway I'm sure it would be a big hit.

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Nice one gordon3-1, but you left out the token disabled person. I hope to God they never remake The Professionals (again), leave it be. Can you imagine a remake of the Sweeney? Liberal heads would explode just trying to work it out.


ellbee

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Its fantastic isnt it, but seriously ,3 questions 1. yeah ? 2.and ? 3. so what?, looking at a 30 year old programme and complaining about its social attitudes, is like leaving milk on a radiator for 3 weeks ,then complaining about the stink when you go back to it.
That was the world that was, and if you made a show now about 2 ex soldiers ,recruited into a special force to combat terrorists ,im positive they would respect women as individuals , not refer to them "ever" as birds, whatever.
And it would be totally unrealistic, how do you imagine ,that even now, 3 blokes like Cowley, Bodie and Doyle would talk amongst themselves , blokes for the most part now talk exactly as they did in the 70's ,probably worse, they just look over their shoulder now when they do it. All thats changed now is men know where to and where not to talk in this manner. Dont believe me ? no problem, listen to any fellas talking in a pub, then call me a liar.

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Zzzzzzzz.

I was actually attacking political correctness in my op. There was really no need for the 3 paragraph post.

Can't believe that this thread is still going, I forgot all about it after the second post.

:o)


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Just seemed like a good place to spout off, i mean, where else could a bloke bang on about the effects of feminism these days ,other than a Professionals talk back, plus the idea of it saying "2nd blonde bird" in the titles was really funny.

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I see.

Well continue spouting off then.


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Okay then.

ellbee

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Very politically incorrect, which is why I love it LOL. Also, add The Sweeney to that list.

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Speaking as a white liberal AMERICAN (God knows we love our political correctness) woman....I honestly don't give a *beep*

Look, when my bus driver calls me 'hon' I think its sweet. When some random old perv calls me 'babe' I flip him off and keep walking.

Defending the show, they made an effort (granted a really small one)later on with uh...that one blond woman with the sweet sunglasses in 'The Purging of CI5'. When she goes to arrest 'Mr. Parks' (which I can only remember because she said it in a cool way) you see her with a gun, and you see him about to pull a gun on her-CUT TO NEXT SCENE she's lounging in his chair, her high heels on his desk,and he's tied up in a corner. Then Doyle pulls out a pair of handcuffs and she says, "wish I had had a pair of those". That means she took this guy down, tied him and waited until the others could come-all without even a pair of handcuffs.

Of course, Bodie and Doyle try to patronize her and she responds with what was just basically a '*beep* you'.

As an encore she goes on to figure out that bad guy is actually a girl, then take her down.

And Then...we never see her again...shame really. I quite liked her.

Also, there was the chick from 'Cry Wolf' who was a typical 'oh save me you bug strong man', but SENSIBLE. And she did hold off that creepy guy who tried to chloroform her, and throw a telephone out the window-WHICH WAS SOMETHING.

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Purging of CI5:Agreed she was very good,well-played by Sally Harrison who I first remember seeing in an episode of Blake`s 7.There wasn`t a lot of continuity in the programme, with different agents appearing each week, but she definitely deserved a few more episodes.Gorgeous as well!

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Even in the late 70s, the light-hearted macho guise of The Professionals didn't find favour with the critics. In 1980, both ITV (The Gentle Touch) and the Beeb (Juliet Bravo) introduced successful and long-running series with a policewoman as the lead role.

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That's true. Another strong female character in the show was Diane Molner from Operation Susie which was part of the final series. She was involved in a plot to depose the far-right government that ruled her country and even Bodie had a grudging respect for her at the end.

There was also the perceptive Dr. Ross from Wild Justice who brushed off Doyle's advances.

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in a couple of episodes Bodie also makes racist comments which are generally cut out of moden tv edits of the show

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I must be psychic. I was thinking about this thread yesterday and somebody replies to it.


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In a modern version of The Professionals Bodie would be black, Doyle would be gay, Cowley would be a woman and the bad guys would be Neo-Nazis and evil Christians.

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