Overture
At the cinema in the uk the film had an instrumental of "position and positioning" as an overture. Why is this not on the dvd.
shareI didn't know it was on dvd, becauce I have never seen it in Australia, but I believe that overture in on the vhs. Is'nt that what is played all though the opening sequence during the write up? I must watch it again!
shareNo the music on the title sequence is the main title. But they confused the isue by calling it overture on the record and cd. The music i mean was definitly played before the curtains opened. The main title was a mix of "secret kingdom",and "once I was loved". The overture was "position and positioning".
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Well, I don't think ''Position And Positioning'' was really the best choice for the ''Overture''anyway, so......
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I don't agree. Not only did it work very well as an overture, but once you know the song it conveys the meaning of the film.
It sounds a bit like the music you're referring to was what used to be called "Entrance Music", a track arranged to be played in the cinema while the audience was finding its seats and settling itself. There was often another piece called "Exit Music" for people to leave after the film was over. (Nowadays we just get a franchised pop song at the end of the credit roll.)
So in this case, I believe the actual Overture is the music track that appears on the recording under that title -- the medley of "Secret Kingdom" and "Once I Was Loved", with a few snippets of other tunes from this used as segues -- and that played behind the opening credits of the film.
The Entrance and Exit music tracks were rarely put on the soundtrack recording, especially when their running time was limited by the storage capacity of an LP. Nowadays, it's not such an issue with CDs, of course, and when titles like this are released on CD those tracks are included, but only if the master tracks still exist. They may not, for this flick.
You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
It wasn't exactly "Entrance Music" because it was played with the audiance already seated, and the lights dimmed. I realise it is not normal far these to be included on soundtrack albums, but it is odd that it is not on the DVD. Most DVD's of big musicals have the overture included, with a picture on the screen saying Overture.
shareWell, some of them have the word "Overture" on the screen, but I'd say the majority don't. Most movie musicals have the overture under the opening credits, with a pastiche of scene-setting shots (like the opening of "Sound of Music", or "South Pacific").
The other thing is that Overtures are very seldom just an arrangement of one tune, but rather medleys of tunes from the show, right back to the early operas. The only musical I can immediately think of that has just one specific music cue as its overture is "Jesus Christ Superstar", which used the music from the trial scene -- which included themes from other tracks in the show -- and which did the same thing on stage as well.
So I'm willing to bet the music cue you're seeking was the Entrance music. whether or not the cinema waited until the lights were dimmed to play it. The Overture was what played behind the opening credits, and was labelled "Overture" on the LP (which I also have, by the way).
If you think about it, if the cinema hadn't played that other piece at the screening, you'd be happily calling the music behind the opening credits the "Overture" anyway.
You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
No what they have under the credits is the "Main Title" (for some reason called Overture on the "Slipper and The Rose" soundtrack album). Films with Overtures have the Overture before the film starts, and then a Main Title under the credits as well. As in Camelot, Oliver, The King & I, Funny Girl, and countless others. Sweet Charity is slightly odd in that the Overture, and Main Title are one continuous track with the film starting half way through it.
shareNot "countless" others, surely.
In any case, I don't think you're right, but whatever. Good luck finding the one-tune piece of music, whatever you choose to call it.
You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
Not "countless" others, surely.
Among the big musicals, and epics of the 50's to early 70's yes. The last film I can remember having an overture was "Star Trek The Motion Picture"
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Further to my last reply. I think it may be possible that the end of the Overture I am talking about may actually be the Paradine Fanfair.
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