Why did he instigate the final shoot-out?
Great movie, but I was left wondering why Books instigated the final shoot-out?
shareGreat movie, but I was left wondering why Books instigated the final shoot-out?
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Okay, I had to watch it a few times, but this is what I got:
1. Cobb: Obviously insulted him at the beginning. Books will NOT be insulted, lol!
Now the other two are sort of fuzzy;
2. Card dealer at the bar: I honestly can't tell. The only time this man references Books is when he says he could have taken him on (in a gunfight I presume). This I suppose got back to Books.
3. Sweeney: This man obviously had a past with Books. I can see why he wanted to shoot Books and he even said during the first meeting that they needed "to catch up". He also insulted Books in front of Bond during that first meeting; "you can bring your pretty pillow and your landlady."
I hope this helps, I'm sure someone else will give a better response, though.
So he could die as he lived, like a man...He didn't want the slow painful death related to cancer eating him alive from the inside. Or as the old cliche goes..He wanted to die with his boots on....
shareTwo incidents in the movie support this:
1) Doc Hostettler says that if he had Books' courage, he wouldn't die the death he had described to Books. 2) Books obviously admired Queen Victoria, telling Dobkins she "never gave up her guns."
Cobb, Puhlford, and Sweeny all professed an interest in killing him, so they made the opposition meaningful.
There is a scene part way through the movie when the Jimmy Stewart character describes dying of cancer. It is graphic and terrible. He then tells Wayne, " I would not die a death like that." or words to that affect. He is essentially telling him to commit suicide instead of dying slowly and painfully.
Wayne orchestrates the shootout in order to go out blazing. It is very similar to today's "suicide by cop". He "invites" so many other gunmen to make sure they get the job done; he obviously intends to go out fighting, and he knows it will take that many to kill him.
Earlier in the film, he cautions Ron Howard that it is necessary to look out for the amateur who can't hit the side of a barn. Oddly, it is just such an amateur, the bartender with the shotgun who actually does him in.
Best Wishes,
Fitz
biggestfitz got it right. The ending was foreshadowed twice.. once by Jimmy Stewart when he said 'I wouldn't die a death like that.. if I had your courage' and then once by John Wayne when he described how it's the nobody who finally gets you.
Personally, I don't think what other's have written is true. I think he did this so no one, like the undertaker, could profit from his death by boasting that they were the one that got him. He knew it was likely that he would die but he didn't just stand there to be shot and be put out of his misery. He didn't have the date written on the tombstone because he didn't know if he would end up dying but he didn't want anyone thinking of coming after him do so and bragging about it nor bringing more pain to the widow's house. Ron Howard's character was able to kill the actual person who did kill him so although he was put out of his misery from his cancer, no one will profit.
shareI'd have had a happier ending.I'd have had him shoot the sheriff-nasty little *beep*
shareLike I said, Des: he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory.
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Ok, so let me say that this is one of my favorite movies (it may well be the Duke's best), so I've seen it several times, so that's how come I remember so much. Here's what I think:
As others have mentioned, there's the scene where James Stewart describes death by the cancer, and it is graphic. "If you're lucky, you'll go unconscious, and until then, you'll scream." He then says, "I would not die a death like I just described, not if I had your courage." Look at Books' face when he says that.
There's the scene where the Duke talks about reading about Queen Victoria dying and he talks about how she died with style and class and dignity. He's obviously been thinking about it. The shootout is Books' way of going out in style and with his dignity. That's why he gets his clothes dry-cleaned, he does it on his birthday, and so on.
Now as to why he chose the men he did:
1. Cobb- Remember Books' credo? "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on." Cobb insulted Books.
2. Polford- He's obviously a great gunman. It would be very classy for Books to die facing a worthy opponent.
3. Sweeney- Books knows Sweeney hates him with a passion, so Sweeney will stop at nothing to kill him. It's also a way of providing closure to his life, finishing unfinished business.
Hopefully all that makes sense.
The horror... the horror...
During the fight, I had the impression that he was going up against all three of them in order to ensure his passing. None of them could even come close to matching him in a face to face fight, even in his last days.
He seemed that they weren't do ing a better job. He was taking them out one at a time, rather rapidly.
Although much of the acting was stilted, and affected, I was definitely pulled in both directions. I wanted to see him best his adversaries, yet knew he HAD to die if he was to die nobly. BTW, the chosen opponents were all dirt bags that no one was going to miss anyway, for the reasons stated above in other posts. And finally no one seems to have remembered that Sweeny's hate stems from Books' killing of Sweeny's little brother, sometime in the past.
It was obvious that he didn't intend to come back from the confrotation at the saloon. He didn't have a date of death put on his tombstone but he did leave all his money for Bond, he sold his horse, he had his suit cleaned, and he arranged to face the three people in town that he knew would fight him. He assumed that with three against one odds he was sure to lose.
He didn't want to die of cancer in the way the doctor described, he wanted to go out the way he had lived, and quickly, but not by taking his own life. If you notice, after the gunfight was over but before the bartender shot him in the back he stood there and looked at all three dead men with a look of disgust on his face because they were all dead and he was still alive.
This is a great movie, and I can't think of a better one for being Wayne's last film, even if it never was meant to be.
I think Books knew that there was going to be trouble at that bar. Sheriff Thibido had told him about the Pharaoh dealer's shooting prowess. And Books could see that his old enemy was in the bar. I think Wayne was walking into last fight because he knew it was his time (out of medicine and all).
And yeah, "Pharaoh" Dealer, that was how AMC's closed captioner just typed it.
Nail on the head. He wouldnt shoot himself or down a bottle of that Laudanum. A variation of suicide by cop. In this case, suicide by town misfits.
shareIn response to surfercharlie, there was also the scene where Books introduces himself to the widow Rogers. In a bit of irony he tells her his name is William Hickok. Wild Bill Hickok had been shot in the back of the head while seated playing poker. Books didn't want to go out the way Hickok did by having someone shoot him when he let his guard down. And he knew there was more than one man in town who wanted to be able to brag that he was the one who killed the famous shootist J.B. Books. This fear was made evident when, if Books hadn't followed up on his suspicions, he would have died when the two gunmen tried to shoot him in his darkened bedroom.
At one point he commented to Mrs. Rogers that he never killed a man who didn't need killing. That's why he sent for those three men to meet him at the Metropole.
One thing that has been overlooked is that Wayne wanted to get the town's seedier elements out of the way, making it safer and easier for Ron Howard's character to stay on the right path.
The dealer had a rep as a cold-blooded killer. Sweeney, as mentioned, had a past. Cobb wasn't just the insult, I think, but the fact at one point Ron Howard laughs about how Cobb was serving time for breaking a man's jaw and how Cobb had been taking Howard out to practice shooting.
Obviously, that's the reason for those people. The rest, I believe, has been addressed, with Wayne not wanting to die of cancer.