I was eleven years old in a theater with my dad. I remember seeing that and being blown away. My dad told me not to look, but I couldn't stop looking. Being a young teenager, I had never thought things like that were possible.
I gotta admit that it is a very sexy seen in the film. Even though one of the girls left her underware on while they were making out. It was still hot! The other actress was but naked. Anybody know any details of what the director or writers were thinking.
Here is another trippy detail. Both of actress who were nude and making out, later died of drug over doses. With in a significant amount of time. It's a wierd coincidence.
Also just as mind boggeling, is that the one actress (who left her underwear on in the tent seen) went onto play the oldest mature, conservative sister on the tv show eight is enough.
That's fascinating -- I didn't realize that two of the actresses from this film died of drug overdoses. Actually, upon further research, it appears that Cheryl Smith died of hepatitis, but as a result of heroin use. And it's fascinating that Lani O'Grady, who was in "Eight is Enough," overdosed on Vicodin and Prozac -- two commonly prescribed drugs.
I do remember that scene quite well because I've seen this film three times. It's interesting how gravity plays a role in most of the deaths, isn't it?
Good Point about Gravity playing a part in the deaths. And thanks for responding and commenting about there deaths being of drug related causes. P.S. You gotta admit that the Lani O'grady looked hot in her underware. I guess that scene was cursed. I wonder if anything bad happened to the male actor ? He had a great part that day. Steve
In some ways for actors that is worse then death. Of course that is why a lot of them get strung out. Because they cant handle not being in thelimey light. I wonder if that was a part of those two sevy actress fates ?
That's quite possible. I imagine people in show-business are constantly under the gun, worrying about their image and their careers. And a lot of them get suckered in by fame.
I wonder if that was the blonds fate, although it looked like she had quite a career. I remember seeing on a talk show an interview with the eight is enough woman. She said she had panic atacks.
Director Rene Daalder has admitted that the theme of gravity fascinates him. He even curated an entire exhibit in Amsterdam devoted to the subject of Gravity in Art.
I would love to have seen that exhibit! I attended a screening of "Massacre at Central High" last year where Mr. Daalder introduced the film, and he explained his fascination with gravity. I had seen the movie several times before, but gravity's role in the deaths never dawned on me until then.
Thanks for sharing that. I previously read an interpretation of the deaths of Bruce, Craig and Paul representing "falling" from power - and keep in mind that the movie is generally considered to be a cynical commentary on political revoluations.
I hope so much that Rene Daalder does an audio commentary for the DVD.
You're very welcome. I think I prefer the "falling from power" interpretation, because this movie seems to make a point that power corrupts, even when the "good ones" obtain it. I'm not sure of that's a subversive or a conformist view.
I too wish Daalder would do a commentary, but more than anything, I want to see a legitimate, widescreen DVD. I know most of the discussion on this board revolves around that, but until more people can see this film, it's probably going to have to be limited to that.
Even if "falling from power" wasn't Rene's intent, those deaths can easily be interpreted that way. And yes, I think the movie was making the point that power corrupts. David certainly thought so, to the point that he was going to kill everyone in the school building, which almost seems like the entire world's population, since the movie almost completely excludes the general public.
But Mark and Theresa being willing to put their lives at stake to save the others seems to show David that there is a glimmer of hope for the human race.
And there's a lot of truth in Rene's assessment of power. Many times over the years, I've seen people change for the worse when getting more power in employment or other areas. It's more the rule than the exception.
Sometimes when telling the uninformed about MACH, I describe it as "Animal Farm" in a high school setting - a sociopolitical drama in which the formerly oppressed become oppressors.
"'Animal Farm' in a high school setting" is an excellent description of this film! While I'm sure there are exceptions to the generalization, this film shows that the acquisition of power inevitably changes the formerly oppressed into the oppressor, that these battles for control are ultimately part of an endless cycle that continues as long as the system (violence, capitalism, whatever) provides a "reward" for those who seek it.
This is kind of off the subject, but have you ever seek Paul Verhoeven's "Starship Troopers"? On the surface, it's a film about a galactic battle against giant bugs. Beneath that surface, it's a biting commentary on the dangers of fascism, conformity and accepting the party line. Like this film, it works both as a revenge picture and a political allegory.
I appreciate films that can provide such a depth of perspective, depending on the experiences and expectations of the viewer. Certainly not all action films are intended to be quite so profound, but the messages are there to those who look deep enough.
Thanks, I'm glad you like my "Animal Farm" comparison! It's often said that "absolute power corrupts absolutely" and we see it happen in both movies. In addition, both movies show the paradoxical tendency for people to become like the people they despise or even worse. One thing I've noticed in life is that when people are severely hurt by a loathsome individual, they tend to either become exactly like or the opposite of such a person. There's little in between.
But one thing that makes David in MACH a unique hero is that he never wanted fame or glory and never accepted any. David, from the start, sympathized with the oppressed students. And though misguided, he felt he was doing something righteous when he killed Bruce, Craig and Paul. But after those three were gone, David realized that the problem wasn't merely that they were evil but rather a core problem of humanity.
I haven't seen "Starship Troopers" but I'll check it out via your recommendation. I have often taken notice of the movie upon seeing it in stores, however, because the title reminds me of the Yes song "Starship Trooper."
One thing I like about you is that you seem to dive deeply into movies as much as I do. And our ability to carry on such long discussions about MACH shows how substantive the movie actually is.
Oh, I forgot to mention this in regard to my film "80s Metal Star," but I originally but "Crossroads" from MACH as the song playing in the last scene and opening credits, since the words fit perfectly with the main character at the end. But I decided to instead go for an uptempo song - "After the Rain" by Nelson - because the ending, while bittersweet, is supposed to be more happy than sad and offer a strong glimpse of hope.
But my plan for the DVD case still pays a tribute to MACH - it shows the main character, from the back view, standing at a rural Indiana intersection, symbolzing that he's at the crossroads of his life.
You're definitely right on with the "Animal Farm" comparioson (I thought the same thing). The Dutch director knew NOTHING about American teenagers and he was just using this genre to make a political allegory. It's kind of hard to find, but look for a book called "Cult Movies 2" by Danny Peary. It has a really good write-up of this movie and the ideas behind it.
Cheryl "Rainbeaux" Smith, was a 70's exploitation legend who was in a lot of 70's cheerleader movies including one with Robert Carradine called "The Pom Pom Girls". She was also a big rock n' roll groupie and also a musician who played drums with Joan Jett. I knew she was an "h" addict who died a few years ago of hepatitis, but I did not know about Lani O'Grady. . .
BTW, the guy that did the music was a mob informant and the big-breasted, (and butt-naked) girl that plays the lead was apparently his real-life step-daughter(!). Andrew Stevens, of course, is the son of Stella Stevens. And everyone knows the Carradine family. The only guy that's kind of mysterious is Daryl Maury.
This actually had a pretty typical 70's drive-in movie cast, but it sure wasn't your typical drive-in movie!