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I don't get anything about this film


That part sort of makes sense to me, since she approached him in the library by asking him some obvious question, then leaving her book with a name and address in it. Even if he wasn't head over heels for her, he still would have taken her book and brought it back to her like any decent person would do and you'd assume she took her.

I don't get a lot of the film, personally.
Who were the people trying to kill Doc in his hotel and who was the man watching from across the window?

Devane's character said something like "Doc gave safe haven to a lot of Jews in exchange for gold", so I thought for a second that he was like a hero, like Oskar Schindler. I supppose he was a bad guy?

Who names their kid "Doc" and "Babe"?

What the heck was going on at the beginning. Who was that maniacal Jewish guy who assumes that anyone speaking German is a Nazi and why did he feel the need to all of a sudden turn a New York city street into Death Race 2000? And wasn't it a bit too convenient of a plot contrivance that they would both crash into an oil truck?

Why would anyone care about a Columbia University grad school student at all who doesn't even know what his brother does for a living?

Janeway was a mole?

Who's Scyllia? It is implied that "Scyllia" is still alive in the novel sequel?

What is up with Dustin Hoffman's arc? To redeem his father's suicide, he had to kill Janeway (who I'm not sure needed to be killed) and a Nazi. The people who persecuted his dad were McCarthysits.

Also, why did Babe originally omit McCarthy from his thesis if he was obsessed with his dad's death.


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Who were the people trying to kill Doc in his hotel and who was the man watching from across the window?

They were nazis working for Tzell (sp?)- the CIA men were a shady offshoot of the CIA who ran secret operations with such vile people.

Devane's character said something like "Doc gave safe haven to a lot of Jews in exchange for gold", so I thought for a second that he was like a hero, like Oskar Schindler. I supppose he was a bad guy?

I think you mean Devane said Tzell gave refuge in exchange....? Tzell was a greedy and vain character, very evil. This did happen during WWII when the nazis were losing in 44-45 and Nazi Officers (Himmler did) had one eye on war crimes charges.

Who names their kid "Doc" and "Babe"?

You mean family pet-names like "Ike"?

What the heck was going on at the beginning. Who was that maniacal Jewish guy who assumes that anyone speaking German is a Nazi and why did he feel the need to all of a sudden turn a New York city street into Death Race 2000? And wasn't it a bit too convenient of a plot contrivance that they would both crash into an oil truck?

Just a random jewish guy with a failing car, and a short temper - probably a concentration camp srvivor.
By sheer coincidence he ends up driving behind a German. Tempers flare and both become aware that they hate the other on more historical terms - nazi and jew- and thus their crazy and doomed race for one-upmanship?

Janeway was a mole?

He was an amoral member of the shadowy organisation offshoot from the CIA, pretending at one point (to Babe) that he was rescuing him, so as to get more honest info from him instead of Tzell's brutal methods. But Babe didn't know anything. He wasn't a spy like Devane/Scheider.

What is up with Dustin Hoffman's arc? To redeem his father's suicide, he had to kill Janeway (who I'm not sure needed to be killed) and a Nazi. The people who persecuted his dad were McCarthysits.

He isn't avenging anything other than those vile people who killed his brother. He was dragged into this world and is trying to survive, but realises that he cares about the implications of the other's actions. He knows that the will kill him.

Also, why did Babe originally omit McCarthy from his thesis if he was obsessed with his dad's death.

Fascination and repulsion? He is still grieving but can't face asking the questions? He knows that his brother wants to just forget it all.



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Its obvious the OP didn't pay attention while watching

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Who were the people trying to kill Doc in his hotel and who was the man watching from across the window?


The Asian assassin with the wire garrote was named Chen, and it is strongly implied he was hired to kill Doc by Szell, because Szell thought Doc was going to rob him when he got his diamonds.

This was hinted in the scene before Szell killed Doc, when Doc says "do you expect me to believe Chen acted on his own?"

The old guy watching from across the street was just some random old guy.

Devane's character said something like "Doc gave safe haven to a lot of Jews in exchange for gold", so I thought for a second that he was like a hero, like Oskar Schindler. I supppose he was a bad guy?


That wasn't exactly what he said. Szell was a doctor at Auschwitz who did experiments on prisoners, like Josef Mengele. Janeway (Devane) said Szell let it be known that he could slip prisoners out if they bribed him with gold and diamonds. Szell was just crooked and greedy.

Who names their kid "Doc" and "Babe"?


They were nicknames. Babe gives his full name once as Thomas Babington Levy.

What the heck was going on at the beginning. Who was that maniacal Jewish guy who assumes that anyone speaking German is a Nazi and why did he feel the need to all of a sudden turn a New York city street into Death Race 2000? And wasn't it a bit too convenient of a plot contrivance that they would both crash into an oil truck?


Road rage. Also there are some Jews, especially old ones only a few decades after the Holocaust, who hate all Germans. Also, Szell's brother started calling him a Jew in a derogatory way, which kind of only confirmed he was a Nazi, or at least anti-Semitic. Yes, the oil truck crash is a plot device, I guess. It's what gets the ball rolling for the whole rest of the movie.

Why would anyone care about a Columbia University grad school student at all who doesn't even know what his brother does for a living?


Because Doc went to Babe's apartment and died in his arms. Someone as paranoid as Szell (a Nazi fugitive coming to America after decades in hiding to get a diamond fortune, exposing himself to incredible risk) isn't going to just assume Doc didn't say anything to Babe.

Janeway was a mole?


Doc and Janeway both worked for a secret government organization, "The Division". They made deals with Szell in exchange for him ratting out on other Nazi war criminals. The ends justify the means, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, etc. etc. Janeway was crooked though, and only out for himself. He didn't like Szell, per se, but he allied with him because Szell seemed like the most powerful man in the room.

Who's Scyllia? It is implied that "Scyllia" is still alive in the novel sequel?


I'll grant you this one was better-explained in the book, but "Scylla" is Doc's agent code name.

What is up with Dustin Hoffman's arc? To redeem his father's suicide, he had to kill Janeway (who I'm not sure needed to be killed) and a Nazi. The people who persecuted his dad were McCarthysits.


Who said he killed Janeway and Szell to redeem his father? Also, re: Janeway not needing to be killed, Babe killed him in self-defense.

Also, why did Babe originally omit McCarthy from his thesis if he was obsessed with his dad's death.


Probably because he had the same doubts that his professor expressed...that he's too emotionally connected to the subject matter to write an objective essay. He had to write with a level of scholarly neutrality, not just rant about McCarthy, and his professor (and probably Babe himself) had doubts that he could set his own emotions aside enough to do that.




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I wonder if the old man across the hotel in Paris had a larger part. We spend a pretty good amount of time watching him watch the attempted murder.... it seems like something is going to come of it... but nothing does.

Why would they bother to have a guy watching the murder from afar anyway?

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watch it again but this time put down your phone and pay attention.















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watch it again but this time put down your phone and pay attention.


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There weren't that many "decent" folks in NYC in the 70's.

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