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Sorry for the sensationalist heading, but some might find this interesting.

Spoiler warning

The movie and I presume the book 'Logan's Run' is probably stolen from a short story that was then stolen for a radio play, while the concept of every person getting killed at 30 is probably stolen from an Isaac Asimov novel that was turned into a radio play.

I realize that it's not uncommon for two (or more) people to have the same idea at the same time independently (Leibniz and Newton and their simultaneous independent discovery of calculus, for instance) but since both of the ideas were presented in radio plays, I can't help but think this is a little too coincidental.

The Asimov novel and the Dimension X radio play are both called "Pebble in the Sky"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re4Fca7orBQ

In this novel and radio play, the age of death is 60, and it is referred to as 'the 60.'

The X-Minus One Radio Play is called "The Sense of Wonder" and it was apparently stolen from a Robert Heinlein short story named "Universe."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSQAB0wfrcU

I haven't read "Universe" but Logan's Run takes all sorts of plot points from "The Sense of Wonder" including:
1.The action taking place in a living space where the equivalent of a city population is confined (a spaceship in this case)
2.The people being confined to this area due to an apocalyptic event
3.A man meeting up with a woman in the course of the action
4.The man discovering that there is a much bigger world (universe) than what they are confined to
5.The man and the woman being on the run from authorities for having this knowledge.
6.In the case of the radio play the spaceship luckily happens to land back on earth as this action is occurring. Just as in Logan's Run, the man causes the confined living space to be destroyed to force everybody into the wider world.

This radio play is clearly meant to be a critique of dogmas, especially religious dogmas, but like most of these critiques, the radio play itself can be easily critiqued as a rather un-entertaining polemic.

I can't comment on any similarity here to Logan's Run, because for me the movie made no sense. The idea behind everybody dying at 30 is 'one new person comes in and one old person goes out.' (I don't remember if that's the exact quote.) If the people wanted to 'run' and leave the city rather than get killed upon turning 30, why did the authorities (or the Sandmen) care? All that matters is that they left.

I read here the film was significantly edited, so maybe the original version explained this, but without an explanation for the reason for the Sandmen and preventing people from leaving the city, it's impossible to know if the original movie version (I haven't read the book Logan's Run) also was a critique of dogmas or not.

Anyway, agree or disagree with my critique of Logan's Run, but fans of the movie (and the book) might find these radio shows and books interesting as well.

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The plot framework may seem similar, but I think it's just another example of Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Plot Development (any Trekkies?). Population control by mandatory death at a certain age has been a favorite subject of science fiction writers ever since HG Wells (remember Morlocks & Eloi?), and population control requires an authoritarian, enclosed society. Dystopia is a given.

The subplot of a man & woman is just your standard romance that all writers throw in, to appeal to us on a human level.

So I think it's a coincidence, or if you don't buy that then we'll have to credit the whole thing to HG Wells ;)

I can't comment on any similarity here to Logan's Run, because for me the movie made no sense. The idea behind everybody dying at 30 is 'one new person comes in and one old person goes out.' (I don't remember if that's the exact quote.) If the people wanted to 'run' and leave the city rather than get killed upon turning 30, why did the authorities (or the Sandmen) care? All that matters is that they left.


It wasn't simply a numbers control game; Logan's society believed in reincarnation ("renewal") to such a degree that they killed themselves so they could be reborn. The Runners were those who upset the balance by refusing to renew. So the Sandmen forced them by termination. They didn't see termination as killing. Recall Logan's awesome line "I never killed anybody. I TERMINATE runners!"

I highly recommend you give Logan's Run another try because it's so much more than the run of the mill dystopian population control story--maybe that's why it confused you, because it goes much further. The metaphors of the Circuit, Sanctuary, the character Box, and even Cats, it's all part of a bigger picture. I won't bore you unless you really want to give it another shot.

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Incredible, a serious, well-written, thought-provoking, respectful response on a movie discussion board!

(Just kidding; they're not THAT rare, just too rare).

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lol that was my 2nd draft.
My first draft was "PISS OFFFFFFFF!!!!!"

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lol

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I recorded the movie on my PVR and after viewing it, deleted it, so I don't have access to it right now (not legally anyway :) ) I wouldn't be surprised if the script is available online, but I don't have time to skim it over right now. That this society believed in reincarnation did not occur to me from viewing the movie. All I got was a sense of hedonism. But, I certainly could have simply missed it.

In regards to the theft aspect, I also think you gave a thoughtful response, but in taking me to task for pointing out the romance subplot, I'd argue you went after my weakest example. The other example, especially the virtually same ending, don't seem as easy to have been a coincidence.

In hindsight though, and again, if anybody is interested, I think the 'people being confined due to an apocalyptic event' was also a fairly common Cold War theme in literature.

For radio shows based on science fiction stories, I'm familiar with:
1.A Pale of Air by Fritz Leiber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1DS5M5bUw

2.The Moon is Green, also originally written for Galaxy Magazine by Fritz Leiber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSw8Dgk2OdY

(As you might guess by the title, this story is rather poetic.)

3.The Last Objective, originally written by Paul A Carter for Astounding Science Fiction Magazine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnEC6PW1dUA

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rooprect: The OP responded to your post, but accidently replied to my post (I didn't want you to miss it, if you're interested).

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I dunno, man. I fully respect your perspective on this, but as a long time sci-fi fan, long time listener to all the X MINUS ONE and DIMENSION X radio shows, and know the specific shows you speak of, I never felt they were related or stolen from in any way. Just another sci-fi story with some similarities - like any good number of great stories.

I do see your points - and often when listening to those great old shows (about montly on long car trips) I hear one and think, "Man this modern movie pretty much ripped off THIS good old story!" Specific examples elude me ATM, but there are also old stories that would be FANTASTIC if they would make them today. But, I never related them to logan's run.

In that way, there were several stories that could be similar... there was also one about people escaping to a supposed radiated surface, but the robots kept them under ground and ignorant. remember that one? That could be applied to logan's isloated world. or the one where the people thought they were traveling to another world, but were still on earth as a long term experiment.... and many more...

I feel the overall setups of those radio plays, as well as Logan's Runs, are all different enough that they were not borrowed ideas.

I feel that is like saying EVERY movie with a spaceship in it and some astronauts all are the same, or ripped off who ever did it first.

Just my perspective, and all respects to your view also.

I LOVE those old radio shows! Can't get enough of them. They did some really clever ideas that are hard to find these days.

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