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I HATE THE MUPPETS SO MUCH THAT...

posted 16 years ago by Karma4301
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I would love to be in the studio audience if they do another TV show, and heckle it while the studio audience watches it being filmed, and not stop until the last original Muppet performer Dave Goelz, who plays Gonzo among others, not to mention, semi-originals Steve Whitmire (who plays Rizzo the Rat, and has done Kermit since Jim Henson's death) and Kevin Clash (who already is infamous for playing Elmo in Sesame Street), and maybe Bill Baretta, quit in frustration of being heckled by an audience member which "Muppeteering" characters in front of the studio audience. I obviously would get kicked out of the audience, of course, but I'll see if I can finish them off in the process. I mean, Frank Oz and Jerry Nelson have retired, especially the former, who has become a more serious director, so that's a blow to characters like Miss Piggy, Fozzie, Animal, Sam the Eagle, Floyd, Robin, Pops, Crazy Harry, Lew Zealand, etc., who now obviously have inferior replacements as puppeteers. And while I'm not happy that Jim Henson, AND Richard Hunt have since passed away because I don't like when people die not old enough, but it would have been good if they lived, that they would retire as well. Hunt's death of AIDS was a blow to characters like Scooter, Janis, Sweetums, Beaker, Statler, etc., and the ones who voice them now are obviously inferior.
So, anyway, anyone else want to be in a next studio audience to antagonize the Muppeteers to make Whitmire, Clash, Baretta, and especially Goelz quit in frustration? I mean, I may hate the Muppets, but it had its glory days in the 2nd half of the 1970's. And does anyone recall being in the studio audience which was simulated as "Muppet Theater" when they filmed the Muppets being "Muppeteered" in front of those who were in the studio audience? I mean, I'm pretty sure the audience knew that the cast were puppets performed in front of them. Nevertheless, it especially should have ended when Jim Henson (and Richard Hunt) died. I hate especially the Muppet Movie because it led to me throwing my old life away over time after I first saw it in 1990.

[–] BigThingWithHolesInIt 16 years ago

Hunt's death of AIDS was a blow

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Looking for proof that the word comedic is used wrongly in 95% of cases

[–] Humphrey_Fish 16 years ago

"Drugs are bad, Mmkay?"

[–] wermuth601 16 years ago

None of the regular Muppet shows (TMS, Jim Henson Hour, or Muppets Tonight) were taped in front of live audiences. TMS and MT both used laugh tracks, while The Jim Henson Hour used neither. I doubt the next Muppet series would have a live audience, since it took three days to make one episode of The Muppet Show (and probably the same number of days for the other shows).

[–] Karma4301 16 years ago

Well, I didn't mean that they air it live. I mean that, probably like Saturday Night Live, they filmed/taped segments separately with an audience in the studio, all before it did air. Of course, the studio audience knew, as we all knew, all the performers were Muppets, therefore puppeteered by humans in front of the studio audience, and they also knew that, even though they watched the Muppets being performed by the likes of Jim Henson, Frank Oz, Dave Goelz, Richard Hunt and Jerry Nelson, etc., that they, the studio audience, knew they weren't really in "Muppet Theater" even when sitting in the studio made to look like a theater. So, of course it was pre-filmed or pre-taped, because I think that's the way they record Saturday Night Live nowadays, even though the performers are real people, and the Muppets are puppets performed in front of the studio audience, and once it gets put together after the filming, the TV audience. I didn't mean it was actually live since that's much harder to do than with Saturday Night Live for obvious reasons. So yeah, I meant there's a studio audience that watches it being pre-filmed, like with Saturday Night Live, and they put it together before it airs. In addition, in the first season of Saturday Night Live, with the original "Not Ready for Primetime Players," Jim Henson and some of his colleagues performed as more adult-oriented monstrous Muppets, and even showed backstage antics which, probably like the studio audience of the 1975-76 season of Saturday Night Live, couldn't be seen by the studio audience, but the TV audience. And I think SNL might have been live then, while the Muppet Show and Muppets Tonight (I never saw the Jim Henson Hour and, given my hatred for the Muppets, never will, although I would like to get tickets to be in a studio audience of a new Muppet show to watch it being pre-filmed so I can antagonize them enough to get Dave Goelz and Steve Whitmire (and maybe Bill Baretta and Kevin Clash, the latter no longer infamous for Elmo, but Clifford as well) to quit like Frank Oz and Jerry Nelson).

[–] Won-tolla 16 years ago

Pros quitting because of one heckler. Yeah, right. You'd probably get to ruin two or three shots before they threw you out.

[–] Karma4301 16 years ago

Hmmm...maybe you're right. It's just that I wished the Muppets would've ended not just after Jim Henson and Richard Hunt died, but Frank Oz (who has become a more serious director (although they were practically all comedies) with Little Shop of Horrors, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, and Bowfinger, and in addition not only reprised his voice role as Yoda in the Star Wars prequel trilogy, but did the voice of Fungus, the red, multi-eyed monster who was Randall's scare assistant in Monsters In.) and Jerry Nelson retired. Of course, it was around Jim Henson's death that I first saw the Muppet Movie on VHS. I can't tell you much more, but it changed my life not really for better, but mostly for worse. And the fact that I threw my old life away indirectly due to the Muppet Movie (although I respect director James Frawley's direction of 32 Monkees episodes) is the reason why I hate the Muppets. But maybe you're right about telling me my plans to get tickets to a new Muppet Show's studio audience, which couldn't be live, but would have things filmed separately, sorta like Saturday Night Live when it wasn't (or isn't) actually live. The Muppet Show was more impossible to air live, but they still had a studio audience who would watch different parts being filmed like with SNL. And the audience obviously were well aware that the "performers" we all Muppets, performed by the likes of Henson, Oz, Hunt, Nelson, Dave Goelz, Steve Whitmire, and Bill Baretta. As am I.

[–] blessedarethecheesemaker 14 years ago

I disagree with your opinions on the Muppets, but love you for liking Frawley's work on The Monkees. Does this mean you like The Monkes? Because that would make my day. It wasn't until Muppets Tonight that Monkees and Muppets would meet though.

[–] krasnegar 15 years ago

Well, I didn't mean that they air it live. I mean that, probably like Saturday Night Live, they filmed/taped segments separately with an audience in the studio, all before it did air.

No, they didn't. It doesn't work that way.

May i say, BTW, in the words of a wise acquaintance of mine "Mr Paragraph is your friend."

Of course, in your casde, being as you are a complete jerk and a troll, becoming more comprehensible wouldn't be to your advantage.

[–] ammathe 15 years ago

.........Were you scared by a muppet as a child? Just wondering...

[–] stevenackerman69 15 years ago

Oh, you'd be doing an impression of Statler and Waldorf, who heckled everything on stage. The Muppets aren't that bad. At least the ones on Muppet Show were funny. The Sesame Street ones were so childish.

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[–] model101 13 years ago

Puck you Karma,

NOONE MAKES FUN IF THE MUPPETS.

People like you are complete garbage to society, and if I had my way I would eliminate you from this Earth. Put you on a distant moon somewhere deep in space where you can live with your pucking stupidity alone.

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