Fascist Libertines?


Disregarding the most common controversies surrounding this film, I found it both horrendously counterintuitive and historically dishonest to have the story set in such a way as to portray the fascists as nihilistic, perverse, coprophiliac, sexually depraved etc., the chief reason being that fascist ideology espouses social conservatism (moral rigorism) as one of its main tenets...

I would have thought it far more plausible to have the story take place under a brutal communist dictatorship, for the protagonists are clearly inspired by revolutionary ideals such as open sexuality, permissiveness, opposition to established morality and traditional social constructs...

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A couple things. I agree marxists are much more likely to fall into such deviant activities. Theirs is not the concept of a traditional family and traditional gender roles, but that we are all genderless non individuals. So from that standpoint, I agree something like Communism would have fit politically.

The director himself was a Communist that practiced male sodomy in his personal life. The director was allegedly killed by a man who he asked permission to perform sodomy on him with a stick.

That being said, anyone regardless of political affiliation can be deviant, immoral, etc.

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Pasolini renounced communism very late in life, if some of his private letters, personal accounts, and the film Salo are anything to go by.

At the very least, he renounced and deeply regretted communist activism, even if he still agreed with the basic ideals of communism.

He was originally a Marxist, and then later an Anarcho-Communist and he walked away from both movements when he saw them to be every bit as authoritarian in practice as the fascists were despite their rhetoric.

The Duke pretty much confirms Pasolini's thoughts on this when he says "We fascists are the only true anarchists!"

The time when Salo was released was during the infamous "Years of Lead" in the 1970's, in which both Neo-Fascist and communist groups committed acts of violent terrorism across Italy in an attempt to overthrow the Italian government, both Marxist groups backed by the Soviet Union and rogue Anarcho-Communist gangs committed heinous acts alongside the Neo-Fascists as well.

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faciest used to be a term associated with the left. Not sure where the perception that fascism is a label for the right.

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It mainly had to do with Neo-Nazi gangs and the remnants of the KKK joining forces with the more extreme elements of the Religious Right in the 1980's and 1990's in an attempt to regain any sense of past legitimacy in the eyes of the public.

Also, since the historic fascists opposed communism, a lot of Americans think that fascism is an extreme right-wing ideology (since communism is an extreme left-wing ideology) even if the fascists were largely left-leaning in an economic sense of the term. They just weren't as far to the economic left as the commies were.

Really, the historic regimes of Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany can't really fit into American views of left-wing and right-wing. Fascism is an extreme ideology outside of the usual split between conservatives and liberals. There's a reason why modern Neo-Nazi groups refer to themselves as "Third Position"

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I don't think Passolini was interested in historical accuracy or exploring the tenants of Fascism. Keep in mind, this movie is loosely based on a series of De Sade stories which were obviously written before Fascism existed. This was meant to be the first in a trilogy exploring death and dehumanization. Since Passolini was alive during Franco's reign, he likely felt this was a good period to explore these themes as it made it very personal for him.

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Sure, fascists believe in social conservatism... for the little people. They want their subjects held in check not just by their own power, but by their own consciences and/or spiritual beliefs.

Ruling elites never feel obligated to follow their own rules in private, in societies where ruling elites exist.


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